i need some debate help..

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

This isnt God of the Gaps fallacy. Something had to start this universe and all the other verses for that matter!

This is exactly the arguement you have posed in the statement I responded to. The very fallacy means stating that because something could happen and because we don't know what did actually happen that god must be somehow involved. That's the fallacy.

No one knows anything about anything before the big bang. There are some quantum-based theories about what happened, but even those are conjecture.

When you incite the God of the Gaps fallacy, you assume something will be proven, so that God is taken out of the picture and we will know a natural causation for the start of the multiverse. But what if we dont find it?

I don't assume anything. I only come to understand what we know and what we don't know and I don't try to fill the gaps of science in with religious figures.
On another note, it doesn't matter if Stephan Hawking said god did or may have done anything. It doesn't make the idea more or less true.
If god acts in ways that cannot be described in this universe in any manner comprehensible to humans, which seems to be a common Christian arguement, then bothering with him at all is pointless. It's like arguing that it seems like he doesn't exist because he exists so hard that we could never tell if he does. Regardless, it's utterly pointless to bother with including him in anything because it's totally superfluous.

Are you going to argue Hawking is falling into the God of the Gaps fallacy?

If stephan hawking poses any serious arguement with that fallacy, then yes, I will call him out on it. But I've read a few of his books and watched a few television programs that he hosted and he has done nothing of the sort.

How is the supernaturalism unscientific? Lets look at it logically.

Supernaturalism does not meet any burden of proof. It cannot be tested for peer review. It is not repeatable in laboratory conditions. It does not meet the criteria of science.

1. Anything in this world/dimension HAS to obey the laws of nature
2. Anything in another world/dimension may or may not have to obey OUR laws of nature
3. Therefore it may be possible for something not of this world/dimension to manipulate the laws of nature.

Your logic doesn't follow. 1 and 2 are logical but 3 is not a logical consequence of any of your other points.
I can play world of warcraft until the cows come home, but unless I created WOW, I can't manipulate the parameters of the game, I can only participate in it, even though I'm from the real world and not actually a creatures from within the WOW game. I can't even participate directly - I have to create a controlled avatar in the game to do things within it.
In any case, just because logic and even science can say that beings of "other dimensions" can exist, it doesn't mean anything except in thought experiment.