(January 27, 2015 at 5:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(January 27, 2015 at 12:17 am)Godschild Wrote:
The trouble (for your position) is that free will cannot possibly exist in light of an omnimax God.
Where did you come up with the claim that God's omnimax, a little evidence please.
Quote:If God is omnicreative, then he created my choices and the outcomes of those choices. Which shoe I put on first, whom I marry, what job I have, whether I take my tea with sugar - all these acts are predetermined.
First you say God's omnimax and without evidence, then you say if God is omnicreative, seems you are confused. Now where did you find the evidence that God created you with a completely planned life. If He did why are there commandments, not to do certain things, you are being very illogical.
Quote:If God is omniscient, then God knows - and always has done - what my choices will be. The only way in which I can operate freely is to do something which God cannot possibly have foreseen.
Foreseeing a persons actions doesn't in any way mean said person did not make a free choice. If what you are say is true it means I have control of what you say, I knew if you responded to what I said you would deflect using tired old arguments, that makes you predictable, it doesn't make me omniscient.
Quote:If God is omnibenevolent, then no one could commit acts which would lead to damnation: God would have created only those choices which would lead to salvation.
Again you need to stop deflecting and give evidence God is omnibenevolent. How is what you say remotely love, love doesn't restrain choice. If you're married is that the way you treat your spouse, I wouldn't think so, you wouldn't be married if you did, taking away choice is not based on love.
Quote:If God is omnipotent, then free choices would only be those which are outside the scope of divine power.
Really, according to who, you. Here you go again, you say God is omnimax, then turn around and say if he's omnipotent, you say things just to fit your POV, not reality.
Quote:It's just not on, GC. If you insist that you have free will, then the God of Abraham must, of necessity, be unable to create or foresee what we do. In such a case, God is not God. Since you and your ilk insist that God is as described above, free will cannot exist in the context of such a God.
Sleep well.
Boru
Your description of God falls short....no it's totally what you want it to be and it's totally wrong. God didn't create us to be robots and yes He's foreseen all, He however doesn't make your decisions, if He did you would be on your way to heaven at sometime in the future. But for all you know that may still be your destination.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
