RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
January 27, 2015 at 3:13 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2015 at 3:33 pm by Zenith.)
(January 27, 2015 at 12:32 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Trust me, I have.
I was banned immediately after making the post on a couple. The reason given? "Inflammatory comments" for one. The other? No reason given whatsoever. Just a ban. That's it.
I posted this almost verbatim. My post was deleted, and I was permanently banned without warning.
And they have the fucking gall to bitch and piss and whine about getting banned here after a dozen warnings and rather fair, tolerant rules...
I personally find it a bit strange... I remember, years ago, when I used to frequent forums on religion, I had been talking on a christian orthodox forum, a jewish forum, but I was never banned. Well, it is true that back then I was a christian with heretical views and was debating with them, convinced that I saw the truth. And whenever an atheist came along, he acted like a know-it-all and was frustrated and / or arrogant. You know, many christians - muslims as well - are very sensitive beings on the matter of religion, e.g. you say smth bad about their god and they feel more insulted than if you posted photos of their mothers f*cking their neighbors all over the city.
I don't know how you asked and how things progressed from there, but a few suggestions that might be helpful:
- Try acting as if you're convinced that they have a good answer - one which preserves their good image.
- Try focusing on understanding as much as you can of how they view things, instead of making it look like a battle / debate.
- Be careful not to make them believe that you're trying to push your views upon them.
- It is a mistake to believe that they ought to answer your questions appropriately. They don't feel like they must - they 'know' that themselves are "right" and whether you want to hear or not what they 'know' is your problem.
- In the worst case, try pretending you're a disheartened christian bogged down by some questions, maybe they'll give an answer, perhaps among words like "most christians are not real christians"
For this particular question, their answer might simply be: "most christians are not real christians, for if they were then those countries would've become the top in both economic power and life conditions."
Btw,
For many people, their faith / religion is just like nationalism, or even ultranationalism: the very fact that they belong to the community makes them feel very special and absolutely sufficient, and whoever is not in their community they despise and hate.
Also, funny thing: In my country, some TV reporters had been asking villagers basic things about their faith, like "Who is Jesus Christ?" I am sure there were people with correct answers, but the funny ones were like "I don't know, leave me be!", "I don't know, the priest didn't tell us!", or "Uh, well, he's a saint of the Church!" Imagine that these are people that frequent the Church and look badly at anyone who doesn't do the same. Well, it is true that there are also villagers who don't know the name of their own country, but still...