RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
January 27, 2015 at 6:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2015 at 6:32 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:Blackout, I'd like to give my opinion here as well: If you look at the pagans of antiquity before christians and those who were not jews, you will see they had taboos as well. For instance, the ancient greeks, AFAIK had no rights for women, it was only men who had rights. I also don't believe that bible commandments like "if a woman committed adultery, then kill her!" were unnatural for the jews thousands of years ago: a similar view they must have had before, or at least they already despised greatly a woman who did that.When I say "religion" I mean all religion, literally.
Quote:Why think a prostitute is immoral? I'd relate it to our animal instincts, where men want to be the alpha males trying to pass their genes: if your woman is a prostitute / harlot, then you can't trust that her offspring is also yours. If another woman is a prostitute, yes, you'd like to f*ck her, but that's all.Animal instincts? Prove it
Quote:Why is rape a bad thing? If she's married, you wouldn't like to raise some other guy's child; if you're her father, you're concerned she'll remain pregnant and nobody's gonna want to marry her and raise someone else's child. If you wanted to marry her and smb. else raped her, you wouldn't like to raise the child.That's not the reason why we consider rape wrong. And pregnancy isn't even the most relevant occurrence, but you can always prove me wrong.
Quote:Why is gay wrong? (in pagan antiquity the views were diverse) Perhaps because they're not "male enough" - alpha males are the ones who have all the females and thus have much greater chances of passing his genes forward. And perhaps that's why now, when a man sleeps with 10 women he's a hero, while if a woman tells everybody that she slept with 10 men she's a harlot.Masculinity and femininity are social constructed concepts. But if you think this is about genes, prove it.
Quote:Of course, some situations might not conclude now the same as they did thousands of years ago, but the natural instincts are the same.You still have to prove that those natural instincts are enough to specifically justify the social institutions and behaviours you argued about
Quote:P.S. Similarly, why is a man who f*cks women frequently appreciated whilst a virgin who can't convince any woman to sleep with him is ridiculous? The former is the "strong one", i.e. the natural selection enlists him to pass his genes forward, whilst the latter is the "weak one", the "inferior one", the one who gets swept away by the natural selection process. And I don't think we have an explanation in the Bible for why we admire one and laugh of the other.It's called gender double standards and it has a cultural explanation. But if you think this is natural, you can always prove it. I'll wait.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you