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Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
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RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
Quote:It's still not valid: the pagan gods (and thus, in pagan religions) did not give any commandments to people on how to behave and how to treat women, etc. They simply demanded offerings and that was all. It did develop later on, as ideologies started to rise and they were transposed to gods, such as some forms of Buddhism, the belief in "good gods" and "bad goods" - which was borrowed by Judaism / Christianity from the persians, etc.
The concept of worship and unjustified authority is still present.
Quote:A more realistic counter argument for my position would be the popular belief that ideologies regarding sex and thus the women's place in society turned against women's favor when agriculture was discovered: it invented private properties, and thus some men ruled over others, and thus began to claim ownership over people and women's rights decreased. Whilst before agriculture, the tribes required that all members contribute to the group for the group to survive, so there was / must have been equality between men and women.
Yes, but irrelevant to the point of natural behaviour

Quote:First I want to emphasize that this is a hypothesis that I currently believe and which makes sense for multiple situations.
Second, if you look at various species of animals you will see behaviors where females are submitted to males and the alpha male mates with all the females and so on.
Dude, other species doing it doesn't prove it is right, even chimps - The analogy is not accurate because we are significantly different from chimps and different, allow me to say, from most animals. Comparing humans to animals is not a valid argument and an analogy is not evidence - Because A is true B doesn't have to be true, just because B is remotely similar to A

Quote:"Of course, some situations might not conclude now the same as they did thousands of years ago, but the natural instincts are the same."
The evolution does not keep the pace very well with our social and technological developments. If it had kept us up to date with everything, we would no longer have had pubic hair, after all.
Why no pubic hair?


Quote:You prove that masculinity and femininity are social constructed concepts.
But they are in animal kingdom. And it is the reason a male lion kills a foreign pack's male lion and takes the females as his own later on.
Or perhaps you meant something else?
Lions do it, humans should do it too... I love this logic!... Nooo dude. I didn't make a positive claim, there's statistically people who differ from the social constructed concepts, very few males fit the stereotype of alpha male and few females fit the stereotype of femininity, most people deviate at least a little from the norm and disagree with the extent of the stereotype. On the other hand, there's evidence that, for example, the concept of masculinity as it is now (alpha males) leads do depression, drug abuse, emotion suppression, suicide and unhappiness. Heck most of my childhood suffering was because of our overwhelming concept of masculinity and manliness. If you wish to challenge this, you need to provide proof that neurologically we are wired to act a certain way, not just bring chimps or lions into the mix

Quote:It can also have a natural explanation.
Prove it
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RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 26, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by dyresand - January 26, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by robvalue - January 26, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - February 10, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Angrboda - February 11, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - February 16, 2015 at 10:50 am

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