RE: It wasn't Mohammed who founded Islam.
January 29, 2015 at 7:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2015 at 7:41 pm by Rayaan.)
Oooh, you look nicer with green. Congrats!
But just previously you said that he is not questioned one bit: "The guy speaks from a position of authority or trustworthiness and is hence not questioned one bit."
I love how you contradicted yourself.
Actually both claims are equally easy to call, but just in a different context:
- An extraordinary claim about himself would make it easier for people to question the validity of his (claimed) prophethood
- An extraordinary claim about someone else makes it easier to question the source of his (claimed) knowledge
But most likely it is signifying that it came from God because, as you yourself wrote in the very next line, Sebeos was "a believer in some god" and thus also "biased in some form."
Plus, my understanding of the entire passage agrees with the scholarly interpretations:
Yours doesn't.
What are those other candidates?
So if he was biased towards God then most likely the "command from on high" is referring to a divine command.
As I said before, they would be prophets only definition-wise (for claiming to be so), but it's a different thing whether or not you believe in the reality of it.
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: If it was just one person, then, maybe because he knew he'd be questioned if he claimed prophethood for himself... people only do Suspension of disbelief for a few things.
But just previously you said that he is not questioned one bit: "The guy speaks from a position of authority or trustworthiness and is hence not questioned one bit."
I love how you contradicted yourself.
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: If one guy makes an extraordinary claim about himself, then that gets called... if he makes it about someone else, it gets harder to call it.
Actually both claims are equally easy to call, but just in a different context:
- An extraordinary claim about himself would make it easier for people to question the validity of his (claimed) prophethood
- An extraordinary claim about someone else makes it easier to question the source of his (claimed) knowledge
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: You see a "command from on high" as signifying that it came from a god. That is not necessarily so.
But most likely it is signifying that it came from God because, as you yourself wrote in the very next line, Sebeos was "a believer in some god" and thus also "biased in some form."
Plus, my understanding of the entire passage agrees with the scholarly interpretations:
Yours doesn't.
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: There are many other candidates that can fit the bill.
What are those other candidates?
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: Your view is biased toward a god. Mine isn't. I also keep in mind that Sebeos was a bishop, so a believer in some god... also biased in some form.
So if he was biased towards God then most likely the "command from on high" is referring to a divine command.
(January 29, 2015 at 7:47 am)pocaracas Wrote: Are you saying that a prophet need only claim to receive guidance from a god?
Is the reality of such claim not required?
As I said before, they would be prophets only definition-wise (for claiming to be so), but it's a different thing whether or not you believe in the reality of it.