Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?

[Godscreated]

You'll never change will you,

Do I have a choice in that...lol?

Yes, but I believe you're like some I've seen, you would cut off your nose to spite your face.

Now to the actual material, actualized no, visualized yes. To be determined it would have to be planned out to the smallest detail by the one manipulating the actions.

No...it wouldn't. Determinism does not require and is not equivalent with planning.

God does not do this, scripture makes it clear, the flood story shows God allows things to progress in man's free will.

I already gave god a pass, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend god against an accusation I haven't made. I don't think god determines anything...remember?

What I've seen is you saying God predetermines our future. As for giving God a pass, that's priceless, you giving God a pass, ha,ha,ha.

I'm only asking whether or not god is present in a future state. Presence, GC...read the questions, or don't pretend to respond to them.

You've stated God is within everything, your moving the goal post, careful or you'll have them clean out of the stadium.

If I took your answer to actually refer to the section you quoted I would have to conclude that you don't believe god to be omnipresent, merely very imaginative. Is that your position, god isn't actually everywhere, he just thinks about everywhere.

God is present everywhere, but being present doesn't mean control. God is everywhere through His knowing, imagination has nothing to do with it. He also doesn't have to think about what He knows, that would go against omniscience.

Actualized no, visualized yes. To be determined it would have to be planned out to the smallest detail by the one manipulating the actions. God does not do this, the scriptures make it clear, the story of the Israelites shows God allows things to progress in man's free will.

-again, god was already given a pass,

Again I say ha, ha, ha.

you are responding to some charge explicitly not made. But again, if you think that god is just really imaginative, rather than possessing knowledge of future states......then you don't believe that god is omnipresent or omniscient......

You're trying to put words into my mouth, you're the on saying God's imaginative and that may be possible with creation, but not with man's future trough free will. You've made yourself quite transparent, but keep up the denial if it makes you feel better, that is like you've won something.

......and isn't that exactly what I said when you decided to call me delusional, you fucking moron?

You are delusional, denial want change that, only seeking the truth and accepting it will help your condition.

Who would like someone planning out their entire life, what reason would one have to grow, no decisions to be made, no reason to care. Just because you believe your false religion determines your every decision doesn't mean the rest of us have to accept such crap.

I don't know who would like that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion, and what someone may like is irrelevant to the truth.

You're right, what one wants doesn't necessarily dictate the truth. The truth is God doesn't predetermine our future. You've taken the stance that God predetermines by His inhabitants within everything, by His knowledge of your decisions.

God says He has chosen national leaders

Then gods a liar. We voted ours in.

Then why to this day have people wondered how Obama came from nowhere to become more popular than Mrs. Clinton, strange how that happened.

, it's for reasons you would never accept, but nevertheless it's be done and will continue to happen to keep God's ultimate plan on track. But to predetermine everyone's life never.

you seem to be obsessed with this idea, can you choose not to be?

What idea, please be more specific.

God's seen what the future holds and has appeared into history to make sure His ultimate plan is carried out, but to plan and control our every move, no, never. Our lives are ours to live and to do so we have to have free will.

Sure, and I've seen the inside of the Enterprise.....but that's not what I asked you at all, now is it?

I knew you were delusional, you've asked nothing, you've stated much and the few questions are loaded to the same purpose.

GC

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The problem with this is that his actions may interfere with free will. Take the case of Judas Iscariot, who betrayed the Christ for 30 pieces of silver. Did god/Jesus know that Judas would eventually betray him when he chose him? If so, then he selected a pretty awful person as a disciple (and apparently his teachings and miracles were unable to convince him of the folly of his actions!). If not, then there is the possibility that god selected a good man to follow him, then turned him evil in order to carry out a part of his plan, which seems horribly unjust. I could never reconcile that problem.

God can and has stepped into peoples lives on occasion, God can do this without changing the eventual future people choose. He knows their choices that will lead to there eternal destination.
God did know Judas would be the one, Judas didn't until He became dissatisfied with the Christ God sent and the one he envisioned, which actually happened before they entered Jerusalem for the last time.
There's always reasons with God, Judas was an example of those who would reject Christ for what the world offers, the thirty pieces of silver and the other money Judas stole from the moneys given them during Christ's ministry represent the worlds offerings.
Judas was like many Israelites, he was looking for a military leader to free them from the Romans, his site of what the Messiah was to be was selfish and contrary to God's plan.
I would have a problem with God choosing someone who could have found salvation, but was used for a terrible purpose that lead to his eternal punishment. Thankfully we do not have a God that does such, through His omniscience He saw Judas's future and thus used Judas, through Judas's choices, to complete His plan. Hope that made sense for you. God did not change Judas's finial destination, nor did He cause Judas to make the choices he did, Judas did that through his selfish desires for the Messiah to be who he wanted Him to be. Judas even saw the shame he brought upon himself and without repentance he killed himself. I feel sorry for Judas, he was chosen to show the foolishness of those who choose the world. He was given the chance to hear the good news of Christ, he just wouldn't allow the Holy Spirit to soften his selfish heart. What I wonder, did Judas see the change in his fellow disciples and if he did why wouldn't he question what he was doing before it was to late. The only answer I can come up with, he must have been that self absorbed.

GC