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Agnostic: a pointless term?
RE: Agnostic: a pointless term?
(February 2, 2015 at 9:24 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I'm speaking in black and white? That's exactly what I am arguing against! Reread the thread! I've been saying all along that people's beliefs have a near infinite nuance - which is why labels are inaccurate and of little use.

Well, I admit I haven't been following the thread that closely and perhaps I did misunderstand.

(February 2, 2015 at 9:24 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I think you misunderstand what I have been saying. I'm not claiming that all non-believers are the same - only that they have the same foundation of the assumption of a godless universe.

See, I wouldn't have any use for such a belief. I am predisposed to seek natural answers to all questions. Specifying particular alternatives to a natural account which I don't accept doesn't seem necessary or useful. It isn't foundational to the way I think to begin by ruling out gods.


(February 2, 2015 at 9:24 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I reject any attempt to pigeonhole us regarding practical issues based on our individual flavor of non-belief.

Agreed.

(February 2, 2015 at 1:35 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: What confused me was when you said:
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Practical strong-atheism. This is the same thing Christians do with every other God concept out there.

Maybe we just mean something different by "strong" atheism. For me that signifies the positive belief that gods/God does not exist. It isn't a question of certitude. I'm plenty confident but I don't think that makes me a strong atheist. I lack the necessary interest to decide what I believe regarding gods in light of the piss poor way in which they are defined along with my general disinterest in non-natural accounts. So I prefer to simply observe that no belief in gods animates any of my decisions. No rejection of gods is necessary and frankly they don't strike me as promising enough to warrant the effort.

Sorry if I misunderstood your position.
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Agnostic: a pointless term? - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 3:42 am
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