RE: It wasn't Mohammed who founded Islam.
February 3, 2015 at 6:40 am
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2015 at 6:41 am by Rayaan.)
(February 2, 2015 at 6:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'm sure the irony of your statement escaped you completely. It's why I told you before that I get it. You have been brain-washed by professionals and you are not ready to even consider the possibility that you have been bullshitted for your whole life.
Pfft. Obviously you would think that. Your own worldview is superior and correct without a shadow of doubt.

(February 2, 2015 at 6:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Rumor... maybe...
Did you see the list on my second post? That gives you all the info you need.
Yes, but those are very general statements about liars. None of that answers the specific questions that I asked before which are:
1. The problem with that is, how could that person make a supernatural claim about some dead guy without first convincing people that he has divine and/or psychic abilities? How else can he claim to know such things that no one else knows?
2. If he is so trustworthy that no one would even question him, what prevented him from claiming himself to be a prophet?
(February 2, 2015 at 6:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You really want an honest answer?
Yes, it does seem to refer to a god. But let's look at what comes before that expression, shall we?...
"as if by God's command", which is the main lead to assigning god to that "command from on high".
It's almost "as if" this was not a certain thing.... "as if" the story was not entirely believed... "as if" the story was made up after Mehmet's death and spread until it arrived at Sebeos' place, still in its infancy... "as if" the people telling the story weren't sure.
If Sebeos was a Christian, then would he acknowledge Muhammad as an actual Prophet? Of course not. That's why the "as if" makes sense in that regards.
A lot of people perceived Muhammad as preaching under God's command, but maybe Sebeos didn't accept his Prophethood, therefore the "as if by God's command."
And the "command from on high" must be referring to that same "as if" command above - i.e. God's command.
(February 2, 2015 at 6:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: The man was so believable to all arabs, but lowly christians couldn't believe him?...
Double standard... -.-'
Wrong. He was almost equally disbelieved by Arabs.
For years he was mocked, insulted, challenged, pushed out of Mecca, his companions were beaten, abused, and even killed, he was spit on, he was beaten so severely that there was blood dripping from his face, the Quraish rejoiced at the fact that all of his sons died so early, they boycotted his followers, and so on and so forth, and yet he was praying for guidance and forgiveness for the same people who were hurting him. He was seen as an enemy even by his own tribe after he started the mission of preaching Islam.
(February 2, 2015 at 6:11 pm)pocaracas Wrote: About Sebeos, "He maintains that the account of Arab conquests derives from the fugitives who had been eyewitnesses thereof."
So what?
Just because it's a second hand account somehow implies that all of that started off as a rumor?