Let me lay this out simply for you.
-If god is present in our future (for example.. is omni-present-), then that future - from some point of view- is already actualized. We are progressing towards it, it is determined.
-If god has knowledge of our future states (for example.....is omni-scient), then those future states -from some point of view- are already actualized. We are progressing towards them, they are predetermined.
Now sure, sure, you don't like the idea of "god" being the one determining this stuff...and that's okay....because it doesn't have to be god doing it for either of the above to hold. I don't mind allowing you that little comfort blanket
This is what you said in post #82, sounds to me that you are taking predetermination/destination as your stand, you really should try and read what you say or do not say it. You not only moved the goal post outside the stadium, you switched teams. You also said predetermination doesn't need a plan and I can pull that up too, seems your above statements have betrayed you. Now that I have established this, all you care about is winning an argument at all cost, even at your own integrity. I'm finished with you, I care nothing about arguing a point or subject with such a wishy washy person. Especially one who has to lower himself to the point of calling people names, when it was you that was wrong.
GC
-If god is present in our future (for example.. is omni-present-), then that future - from some point of view- is already actualized. We are progressing towards it, it is determined.
-If god has knowledge of our future states (for example.....is omni-scient), then those future states -from some point of view- are already actualized. We are progressing towards them, they are predetermined.
Now sure, sure, you don't like the idea of "god" being the one determining this stuff...and that's okay....because it doesn't have to be god doing it for either of the above to hold. I don't mind allowing you that little comfort blanket
This is what you said in post #82, sounds to me that you are taking predetermination/destination as your stand, you really should try and read what you say or do not say it. You not only moved the goal post outside the stadium, you switched teams. You also said predetermination doesn't need a plan and I can pull that up too, seems your above statements have betrayed you. Now that I have established this, all you care about is winning an argument at all cost, even at your own integrity. I'm finished with you, I care nothing about arguing a point or subject with such a wishy washy person. Especially one who has to lower himself to the point of calling people names, when it was you that was wrong.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
