RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 11, 2015 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2015 at 11:47 am by emilynghiem.)
(February 11, 2015 at 5:46 am)Forsaken Wrote: I think this thread pretty well establishes that the second coming of jesus might not go down well with Drich.
emilynghiem, I have absolutely no fucking idea what you are trying to say behind that wall of text.
Hi @Forsaken and @robvalue
Jesus means the spirit of Justice
Christ Jesus means Restorative Justice
So yes I believe that is universal and does NOT depend on the Bible per se.
Frankly I prefer to apply this toward Constitutional laws and natural laws as universal principles that govern all humanity.
The Bible is not enough to hold govts in check, so that's why we need the Constitution. The Constitution still allows for free exercise of religion, so you can still use the Bible underneath that, but not the other way. If you use the Bible to start saying God is behind all govt and has to be followed blindly, that's why we need Constitutional laws and reason/science to check faith.
Sorry if this isn't clear.
I would have thought since you are asking for explanations and not blind faith, you might already know it requires elaboration to work on the level of reason.
If you want short answers, why do you think people flock to the Bible and try to explain away salvation using symbols like Jesus.
Fewer people can handle the long drawn out explanations such as in Buddhism on what happens in the process of sorting out "heaven and hell"
and sins as karma, and how do these issues get resolved if they are passed down to other generations. Few people WANT to know how all this works logistically.
That's what starts religions is people want shortcut ways to say things. So much easier to chalk things up to Jesus on the cross bringing salvation to all humanity, but if you were to spell out what it takes to forgive and correct all sin/karma and the effects thereof, you end up with Buddhism which many cannot handle.
So if you want to go the SECULAR route, some of these discussions can get rather drawn out down to the atoms and molecules of what makes people think or believe things, and what makes us differ.
If you can't take this, then go join a religion and let someone spoonfeed you symbolic language that means the same things.
I would think you can be more intelligent than that if you are questioning things on a molecular level. Surely you can handle the answers if they come out that way!
