RE: William Lane Craig continues to desperately defend the indefensible.
February 12, 2015 at 2:03 am
I have some questions relating to the KCA's second premise: The universe began to exist. What definitions is he using for "universe" and "exists"? I don't know if what he's saying is intelligible or not.
Just looking at Wikipedia a few definitions of universe I get is:
"The Universe is the totality of everything that exists, has existed, and ever will exist"
"The Universe includes all of spacetime; the entire contents of outer space; all matter, energy, dark matter, and dark energy; all galaxies, stars, and planets; all humans and every living thing; all molecules, atoms, subatomic particles, photons; all physical constants, physical laws and fundamental interactions. The Universe can even be understood to encompass all of mathematics, all concepts and ideas, and all thoughts and emotions."
This next definition from Wikipedia cites a work by Craig called Creation Out of Nothing: A Biblical, Philosophical, and Scientific Exploration:
"More customarily, the Universe is defined as everything that exists, from its beginning to end.[53] According to our current understanding, the Universe consists of three principles: spacetime, forms of energy, including momentum and matter, and the physical laws that relate them."
If universe is the sum of all existing things then I don't see how it means sense to an existing uncaused cause is not part of this. If the universe is spacetime I don't see how saying spacetime began to exist is intelligible.
Just looking at Wikipedia a few definitions of universe I get is:
"The Universe is the totality of everything that exists, has existed, and ever will exist"
"The Universe includes all of spacetime; the entire contents of outer space; all matter, energy, dark matter, and dark energy; all galaxies, stars, and planets; all humans and every living thing; all molecules, atoms, subatomic particles, photons; all physical constants, physical laws and fundamental interactions. The Universe can even be understood to encompass all of mathematics, all concepts and ideas, and all thoughts and emotions."
This next definition from Wikipedia cites a work by Craig called Creation Out of Nothing: A Biblical, Philosophical, and Scientific Exploration:
"More customarily, the Universe is defined as everything that exists, from its beginning to end.[53] According to our current understanding, the Universe consists of three principles: spacetime, forms of energy, including momentum and matter, and the physical laws that relate them."
If universe is the sum of all existing things then I don't see how it means sense to an existing uncaused cause is not part of this. If the universe is spacetime I don't see how saying spacetime began to exist is intelligible.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
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We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal
