(February 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)wiploc Wrote:I don't want to play a semantics game, but my interpretation is that something eternal has no beginning, and so there is no BEFORE to its existence. Thus if something could be eternal, then it would have no cause. Cause necessarily entails a before state.(February 15, 2015 at 6:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: The universe may have always existed though, and as such would require no cause.I don't know of any reason to believe that eternal things are uncaused.
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