(February 15, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Magilla Wrote:(February 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)wiploc Wrote: I don't know of any reason to believe that eternal things are uncaused.I don't want to play a semantics game, but my interpretation is that something eternal has no beginning, and so there is no BEFORE to its existence. Thus if something could be eternal, then it would have no cause. Cause necessarily entails a before state.
Here's how I think of it:
I'm here today, because I was here yesterday. My present presence was caused by my past presence.
It would be the same with eternal things. An eternal hamburger would be here today because it was here yesterday. It was here yesterday because it was here the day before. And so on. Each moment of presence was caused by the moment before. So the burger continues.
So, every moment of the thing's existence is caused, except for the first moment. But eternal things have no first moment. Every moment is caused, and we never run out of moments.