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Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
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RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious
(February 15, 2015 at 6:11 pm)emilynghiem Wrote: the factor I have found in people's ability to break the patterns of abuse, crime, violence and other sickness is
forgiveness that promotes natural healing of mind body and relationships.

I have found this forgiveness and recovery counseling based on it
in both secular forms and religious forms.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both:
the secular forms can reach more people, both religious and nonreligious,
who still need to identify which problems in their minds are causing problems
to repeat and preventing steps to resolve them.

the religious forms, particularly Christian healing prayer and deliverance,
can heal very deep extreme conditions that secular methods cannot affect.

Scott Peck used deliverance to treat otherwise incureable patients with such
extreme schizophrenic conditions that they refused to follow therapy and treatment,
until after the deliverance process was used to get rid of their demonic obsessions.

I would recommend studying both the religious and secular forms of therapy,
and using both to treat drug and criminal addictions,
before judging which methods work better in which cases.

I would guess the secular methods work more broadly to cover general issues
of the larger population; but the religious methods may be the only methods
that work on extreme addictions and abuse cases where secular means fail
because they do not address the deeper spiritual levels keeping people sick.

I have also seen cases where 'religion' actually does help people in critical cases: there are people, such as drug addicts, or other kinds of people who had a terrible life, and who need something to cling upon. Or perhaps they are ordinary people who see no purpose and no taste in life at all. Then when they're caught by a religion they say "Jesus saved me!" or "Islam brought me peace!" But this same kind of people go two years later on a killing spree saying "Allahu akbar!" or, instead of being caught by religion groups, they are caught by ultra-nationalistic groups or extreme leftists or extreme rightists or embrace wholeheartedly ideologies like Nazism / Socialism / Social darwinism. This 'good effect' of religion is only good if it finally leads - i.e. on the long term - to more good than evil to the one embracing it and his descendents.

I believe people who suffer from these things (e.g. addictions) see in the (religious) group they embrace, a new kind of family, one that truly cares and tends to them. Perhaps our societies, which over time had been communistic or capitalistic, encouraging values such as "all for the society!" (the individual doesn't matter, all in the name of the group, sacrifice yourself for the society / country) or individualistic (you yourself matter, fuck the others!) need to encourage some more... I don't know, altruism? empathy? While, of course, evading those who try to wickedly profit off the good intentions of others...
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RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 26, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by dyresand - January 26, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by robvalue - January 26, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - January 27, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Dystopia - January 27, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Nope - January 27, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - February 10, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Angrboda - February 11, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by emilynghiem - February 15, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Moral superiority: Seculars vs Religious - by Zenith - February 16, 2015 at 10:50 am

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