Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing

[emilynghiem]

Yikes! Signed on to a similar site that is not like this one, I guess!

Tried to point out the need for scientific proof of spiritual healing before assuming it's bogus.[...]

That's preposterous. The burden of proof is on people claiming "touchy-feely" healing has any real, physical effect. If you don't like to be criticized for spreading medical misinformation about placebo effect - keep it to yourself.

Medicine is an important thing to many people - especially the sick ones. There are thousands of quacks with all sorts of scams - we don't have to waste time with each of them, by default - they're NOT medical professionals (even if some may appear to be "on the fringe"). We have highly trained medical doctors and researchers to deal with them and let us know when and if any of that is at all useful. Or at least - not harmful.

Hey - why not put on a mask and a cape and become a vigilante - since the Police hasn't stopped all the crime yet? Answer: because you'd stop nothing and would get killed, all the while interfering with professionals doing their jobs.

Hi Homeless Nutter
Your reply comes closest to what I was getting on the other site.
1. first there is a difference between false faith healing that is dangerous and fraudulent, vs. effective spiritual healing that is safe natural and doesn't reject science or medicine but works consistently with both.
Dr. Francis MacNutt explains this best in his books on the subject,
and does appeal for help to stop the fraudulent faith healing that is dangerous. by proving how the correct practices work, this will solve that problem at the same time

2. the placebo effect does not work on cases like drug or sexual addiction, that require deep spiritual healing. the real recovery work is based on forgiveness, and this is a deep and difficult process, and not something that can be faked with a placebo.

I've never seen forced forgiveness that worked to heal anything. And never seen someone magically will away their drug addiction or especially not a sexual addiction as deeply rooted as pedophilia. You cannot just will someone to stop being homosexual or to suddenly become transgender.
These are deep spiritual conditions, and the cases of people who have healed did so through forgiveness and healing therapy. Placebo's can't magically change alcoholics to normal people free from addictions, sorry.
The ones who try this, find it doesn't work and have to go through deep therapy to heal all the root causes of what went into their addictive patterns.

NOTE: Here is a new response I got on the other site.

I have never seen this before.

One of the two jumpy people posted that because human limbs growing back would be consistent with the laws of physics, then if human limbs cannot be made to grow back (like lizard tails) then God must not exist.

Who has ever based existence of God on whether human limbs can grow back? I have never heard of this.

I tried to explain the laws of nature work as they work:
apples grow from apple seeds, and apple trees produce apples
not oranges.

But they said that can be explained by the laws of whatever
but not human limbs not growing back.

????

have you ever seen this argument before?

I though it was as creative as the argument as using a banana to prove that God exists, because it is designed to be held in the hand, or something like that.

Most people are satisfied by explaining that spiritual healing works on spiritual levels and something like a physical injury requires physical repair.

This amputee business is really something if that's what people need to see in order to prove a point!

I guess this is like fundamental Bible pushers who have to see the Bible come true literally in the way they dictate, and have to see people agree to that interpretation, in order to believe it is the same God and Christ.

My goodness this is very interesting.

Has anyone else run into someone who absolutely had to see a human limb grow back to believe in God?

What are the rules of nature then, what else do we have to see?

????