How to debate a Christian

[NoGodaloud ?]

How do you get from "The Universe had a beginning..." to "That cause must be blabla...",

I do it based on empirical experience, that nothing begins to exist without a cause. Otherwise, Ferraris would pop up into existence out of nothing, all the time, for example.

On what do you base this bare assertion? And in this assertion where is the necessity of being just the god of the bible, and none of the others that people pray to? How do you know this?

If beyond the universe, there was no time, no space, no matter, then the cause of the universe must have been timeless, spaceless, transcendent, beginningless, very powerful, and personal, since this cause had to take a decision, to create the universe. This description fits best the God of the bible.

You are disregarding the ton of proof on evolution

you can apply evolution only after the first life appeared on earth. You cannot apply it to explain the origin and finetuning of the universe, chemical evolution, and abiogenesis.

and using probabilities, something that isn't probable is not impossible.

http://www.faithinterface.com.au/science...rse-theory

“How many universes then would you need to make it at all probable that one of them could be like our universe? String theorists posit a number of 10 to the power of 500….Now that is an awful lot of universes, particularly since the estimate for the total number of atoms in the entire observable universe is no more than 10 to the power of 80.”

thats such a astonishingly small probability, so that based on Borel's law, we can confidently say, chance is a very bad explanation for the existence of our life permitting universe.

You know nothing about evolution

do you know me, to say, what i know, and what i don't, btw ?

what about all the species that became extinct before us? Were they fine tuned to become extinct?

they had to be created in first place.

And what about the asteroids that may hit the earth from time to time? Were they finely tuned to hit the Earth and probably whipe us out?

If there were no platet jupiter, which attracts almost all asteroids, in fact it would have happened.

Are you sure there isn't other life out there?

I am very confident to say, yes, i don't believe, there are aliens out there.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/astronom...y-t232.htm

The data demonstrate that the probability of finding even one planet with the capacity to support life falls short of one chance in 10^140 (that number is 1 followed by 140 zeros).

And again, I ask for a proof of that designer, and why must he be the one in the bible.

i have no proof, and i think it makes no sense to ask for proofs.

Abiogenesis may not explain well the origin of life yet, but that is where the evidence points

Nope. exactly because it cannot be explained by natural means, it points to supernatural origin.

and alot of knowledge has been got from that, and science is working on that. However you make bold assertions, without proving anything

What science already knows, is enough to make confident predictions. It would be too much to explain by own words, why abiogenesis does not work, but if you want some thoughtful insight, i recommend you , to have a read at this site.

http://www.detectingdesign.com/abiogenesis.html

Please define god and give me positive evidence of its existence.

God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.

Gods existence can be deduce through creation, through his word, the bible, and through personal experience.

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Please define the god of the bible and present evidence for it!

God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.

you ask too much, to present evidence for the description i gave. Sorry, but i have not enough time, the answer would be too much timeconsuming to be wrote down. If you want a better indepth understanding, please have a look of my page at my forum.

Who is God, essence of God.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/does-god...79.htm#175