How to debate a Christian

[NoGodaloud ?]

I can prove gravity because if I take a pen and drop it, it will fall. This is testable. It's repeatable. It's falsifiable. If one day I drop a pen and it doesn't fall, I will reconsider gravity. I don't take it on faith, I believe it on the consistent results it provides.

In the same way, we can confidently say, DNA has as origin a mind, since no natural mechanism to create information, is known to men. The day, a natural mechanism is found, this deduction can be reconsidered.

I bolded the important bit that basically invalidates your argument as one big argument from personal incredulity. It's a logical fallacy, I've already pointed it out to you.

the point is, i have good reasons not to believe in a natural origin of life. If my argument would be simply an unsupported statement of unbelief, you had a good point. Quit the oposit is the case however, as already shown. Its not conceivable, that the first cell arose by chance . Is incredulity btw. not the foundation of any critical thought ?

Macro-evolution is not controversial within established science. Creationists from the discovery institute don't count.

Its not controversial, because established science is commited to the philosophy of naturalism, aka. all phenomenons should be explained naturally, without invoking the supernatural. Established science has however failed to explain, why it should be so.

I don't need to suggest a cause, I simply reject yours.

I have not established WHAT cause i think is the most probable one to deduce, but only, that based on the experience, that everything that begins to exist, has a cause, the universe, as it had a beginning, most probably does need a cause as well. If you do not agree on this, then a big question mark remains : you accept the law of gravity, but you believe, our universe does not need a cause, despite all other things, that begin to exist, need one ?

You have the burden of proof, and you have failed to meet it.

i have not the goal to prove something here.

Oh dear. Well I hit finely tuned, abiogenesis, and DNA information above.

you really do not convince.......

There is sex because life evolved from asexual organisms to bisexual organisms.

so simple that is, isnt it ?

unfortunately, science has however no clue, how to explain sex, which brings no advantage of survival at all......why could there organisms not reproduced asexually ? that would be much easier. And there are animals, that procreate asexually, like some fishes. That are major headages for evolutionists.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ution.html

Consciousness is the product of the brain. Neuroscience is a great new field of study and what it finds consistently reaffirms that everything that makes us who we are is contained entirely within our brain.

how do you explain then near death experiences ?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/the-bibl...ht=dualism

"During a night shift an ambulance brings in a 44-year-old cyanotic, comatose man into the coronary care unit. He had been found about an hour before in a meadow by passers-by. After admission, he receives artificial respiration without intubation, while heart massage and defibrillation are also applied. When we want to intubate the patient, he turns out to have dentures in his mouth. I remove these upper dentures and put them onto the 'crash car'. Meanwhile, we continue extensive CPR. After about an hour and a half the patient has sufficient heart rhythm and blood pressure, but he is still ventilated and intubated, and he is still comatose. He is transferred to the intensive care unit to continue the necessary artificial respiration. Only after more than a week do I meet again with the patient, who is by now back on the cardiac ward. I distribute his medication. The moment he sees me he says: 'Oh, that nurse knows where my dentures are'. I am very surprised. Then he elucidates: 'Yes, you were there when I was brought into hospital and you took my dentures out of my mouth and put them onto that car, it had all these bottles on it and there was this sliding drawer underneath and there you put my teeth.' I was especially amazed because I remembered this happening while the man was in deep coma and in the process of CPR. When I asked further, it appeared the man had seen himself lying in bed, that he had perceived from above how nurses and doctors had been busy with CPR. He was also able to describe correctly and in detail the small room in which he had been resuscitated as well as the appearance of those present like myself. At the time that he observed the situation he had been very much afraid that we would stop CPR and that he would die. And it is true that we had been very negative about the patient's prognosis due to his very poor medical condition when admitted. The patient tells me that he desperately and unsuccessfully tried to make it clear to us that he was still alive and that we should continue CPR. He is deeply impressed by his experience and says he is no longer afraid of death. 4 weeks later he left hospital as a healthy man."

Morality is a construct of social animals. It is subjective and has evolved over time. Other animals display morality, not just humans.

amazing. What animals ?

If you really want to understand evolution and how it's work, Dawkins' book "The Greatest Show on Earth" is pretty good.

I have read Dawkins God delusion. After about half, i stopped reading. Its really junk food, without consistent arguments whatsoever. I am completely unimpressed with him, actually , i am wondering, how so many people take him serious.

You're assuming there is a reason. There doesn't have to be.

thats true. A life without a deeper meaning is however completely absurd. Its late now, so i will abreviate with this link, which treats about this issue :

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News...le&id=5389

No. If we do not have the evidence to support a claim, all we're doing is guessing, and one guess is as good as yours. I'm going to guess it was Xenu, how do you know your guess is better than mine?

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/astronom...t-t132.htm

By definition, nothing has no potentialities. Thus, it is impossible for something to arise out of nothing, for how can its existence be actualized if the potential is not there? The truth of the causal premise is additionally supported by our everyday experience. If the causal premise were false, then it is quite odd as to why we don't observe things coming into existence uncaused and out of nothing in our everyday experience. Presumably, nobody lives their life worrying about the possibility of an elephant suddenly appearing out of nothing in their living room.

Did this already. The second law of thermodynamics is a failed argument. Entropy is not disorder, it talks about a closed system, the universe is not a closed system. Try again!

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/astronom...e-t144.htm

Even though energy cannot be created or destroyed (by any natural processes), over time the useful energy in the universe becomes more and more useless. This is known in science as the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If the universe were eternal then all of the energy would have become totally useless by now and I wouldn't be writing this article and you wouldn't be reading it either!

No. First you admit that your position is not based on any type of scientific evidence, it is merely a faith based position.

Where did i admit that ?