RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 22, 2015 at 11:44 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm by Drich.)
(February 22, 2015 at 5:17 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: That is why we all eventually devolve into a nazi/ISIS type of self righteousness.
Speak for yourself. If the only thing keeping you from slipping into depravity is your faith in God, by all means, please keep believing. The world doesn't need any more genocidal maniacs.
Oddly enough, even though I'm a moral relativist, I haven't gotten around to killing one single person ... unlike so many theists who assert moral absolutism.
(February 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: That begs the question is God 'good' given what popular culture deems to be acceptable behavior? No. But, again so what?
The god you worship is evil by any yardstick. He orders genocide, and indeed commits it himself. He practices collective punishment. He holds his own creation hostage to his whim, threatening us with eternal punishment if we practice the free will you allege he gave us. Those are the actions of a sociopath.
And you worship him.
So is it your belief that your life as a moral whateverist, would be possible if not for all the genocide and this/your country was built on?
(February 22, 2015 at 5:18 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: This discussion of Nazi's reminds me of the Nuremberg defense. Christians ignore their personal sense of morality to follow the superior morality of God - "orders are orders".
On the others hand, God's absolute morality is presented so ambiguously in the Bible that it becomes relative morality. Every Christian is forced to guess based on his/her own instinctual morality.
Do you have examples of either claim?
(February 22, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Strider Wrote: Christians know that their particular entity of worship cannot be judged as "good" by using the normal, modern standards by which we utilize to interpret a behavior as "good" or "bad". Therefore, they must twist words and claim that the concept of "good", as we understand it, has no real meaning.
What a line of bullshit. More mental gymnastics to cling to the idea that your sky sociopath really wants to shower you with love rather than plague and damnation.
Say it again...
'By using normal modern standards.'
God could not also be judged as 'good' by hedonistic roman standards... That's my point. In a declining soceity who bases right and wrong off of pop culture God who opposes our desire to slip into evil will always be judged 'bad' as a means to justify our decent into the evil we crave.
(February 22, 2015 at 5:45 pm)IATIA Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Ignorant Wrote: How/in what way can something be good?Is heaven good?
Heaven is just a place. It is what/who is in heaven that makes it 'good or bad.'
