RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2015 at 7:58 pm by watchamadoodle.)
(February 23, 2015 at 6:34 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Goodness is the aspect under which we judge things to be more or less able to fulfill our human desires or appetites. As such, calling something good implicitly includes the understanding "good FOR". For example, we eat food because we judge that it will satisfy hunger (i.e. it is good for satisfying hunger), but we satisfy hunger FOR the sake of nourishment and growth (which are both sought under the aspect of goodness). The appetite/desire is "directed" toward fulfilling our humanity. Another example is more abstract: We punish criminals because it satisfies a desire for justice, and we satisfy the desire of justice FOR the sake of social order (which is sought under the aspect of goodness). All of these goods are sought in an order and for the sake of different goods judged subjectively by individuals for one common reason: happiness/human fulfillment. Goodness is the aspect by which we arrange and order our actions for the sake of happiness which is human satisfaction or fulfillment.
IF god IS the thing that, once obtained, completely fulfills our humanity, then he is goodness itself, and therefore, God is good. But only IF.
If god is not the thing that fulfills our humanity completely, then he is not goodness itself, even if he is good under some particular aspect.
This sounds very similar to what I saw in the Catholic Encyclopedia. How do you define "happiness/human fulfillment"? If we can't define those terms then we haven't defined "good".
(February 23, 2015 at 6:34 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Before this post, I haven't argued anything, so I don't know why you are trying to guess what I am arguing.
Well, I was trying to encourage you to offer a definition. "Is this what you mean?", "Is that what you mean?", ... Sorry if you misunderstood my intentions as hostile.