RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 25, 2015 at 7:11 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2015 at 7:24 am by Nope.)
(February 25, 2015 at 5:25 am)robvalue Wrote: On the atheist experience, this one guy said he had "an experience", where he was at his wits end and was begging to god to reveal himself and help him, and "some supernatural" stuff happened. Most likely he was hallucinating, but whatever. He said that this single experience, with no follow up evidence whatsoever, turned him into a christian. Not just a theist, a christian. That's some wacky confirmation bias right there.
If someone else prayed and nothing happened then other Christians would claim that he shouldn't test god but just keep forcing himself to believe.
(February 25, 2015 at 2:41 am)Ignorant Wrote:(February 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm)IATIA Wrote: That makes no sense. You have provided no description of pastichalony, but rather used it as a descriptor and assumed one should be able to define pastichalony without reference.
That is precisely the senseless use of language that I was trying to illustrate, so thank you for the feedback on its effectiveness. It shouldn't make sense if I illustrated it correctly.
The person in that example is using the word "pastichalony" as if everyone just knows what it means. When he is pressed to offer a definition, he just keeps using the word which is not understood.
Using a word as a descriptor and assuming other people should be able to define that word without reference is, indeed, without sense.
It also happens to be what several people are doing in this thread with the word "good". However, hopefully you will notice that when I was asked to supply my own definition, I described the word "good" in a much different way than the hypothetical person was describing "pastichalony"
(February 24, 2015 at 7:27 pm)Nope Wrote: Christians say that their god is good so they must have some sort of definition as to what good is. If they can't even define good how do they know that their god is good or that anything that they do is good?
That is an excellent question for Christians who don't know what they mean by the word "good", but hopefully you will admit that it is just as excellent a question for atheists who say that god is not good. I'm not demanding a definition, but we should not assume that we all mean the same thing by the word, or that we all actually can articulate what it means according to our usage of that word.
And I said in another post that I am perfectly happy to use your definition as a starting point.
(February 24, 2015 at 12:42 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(February 24, 2015 at 11:36 am)Ignorant Wrote: That is fine. Do you think it is good for a person to enter into public discussion about what is good for humanity when that person doesn't really know what they mean by "good for humanity"? If yes, then modern political society was made for you. If no, then hopefully you would admit that our society is in a severe crisis without criteria to judge the best ways to improve.
I see discussion as a way to create or refine my opinions, so I think it's o.k. to enter a discussion without a clear opinion. Of course it is also o.k. to enter a discussion with a clear opinion.
I don't know if our society is in severe crisis or not. I stopped reading the news several months ago, and I feel much, much better. I recommend it for emotional health.
On what basis is a country in severe crisis? I don't even know what country Ignorant is from but the fact that he or she says 'our' as if everyone is from his/her country, I am going to guess he is a fellow American. I have noticed that we Americans tend to act as if everyone is from the USA.
Many countries in the Middle East are in a severe crisis. The US has problems that need addressing but thankfully we are still a wealthy country without a war raging on our soil. Our problems aren't severe yet. Sorry for the off topic thread derail.
