Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

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RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism

February 25, 2015 at 9:27 am

(February 25, 2015 at 9:16 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The universe cannot be a first (or more accurately primary) cause since it is already a particular contingent thing that changes. By way of contrast, the first cause must be non-contingent and unchanging.

I do not understand how a cause can be said to be unchanging when there is a before and after to its previous state of ineffectual rest and subsequent causal action.

He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza

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Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 24, 2015 at 7:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2015 at 9:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 3:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Chas - February 25, 2015 at 4:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 1:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 2:15 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 4:48 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 9:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 9:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Alex K - February 25, 2015 at 3:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 26, 2015 at 12:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Ravenshire - February 26, 2015 at 12:16 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 9:55 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:59 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 2:45 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 3:24 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:10 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 5:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Grandizer - February 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 11:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 3:43 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:11 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:15 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 4:30 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 25, 2015 at 4:34 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 8:47 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 8:58 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2015 at 11:53 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 2:05 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 10:34 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 11:25 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Faith No More - February 26, 2015 at 11:44 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 4:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 2:09 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 12:27 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 3:53 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 26, 2015 at 9:28 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by robvalue - February 26, 2015 at 10:46 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Esquilax - February 26, 2015 at 5:00 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Angrboda - February 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 6:59 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Mudhammam - February 26, 2015 at 5:55 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:16 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 9:37 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Neo-Scholastic - February 26, 2015 at 9:41 pm

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by The Reality Salesman - February 27, 2015 at 12:33 am

RE: Gaps in theistic arguments. Secular theism vs religious theism - by Pizza - February 26, 2015 at 11:38 pm

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