Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[Ignorant]

I'm not really sure what to say any more, ignorant. You seem to be roughly agreeing that general common sense morality is best, but are trying to somehow credit it to Christianity.

No. Subjective moral judgments constantly revised and improved by the developing knowledge of objective reality is best. I do not credit that to Christianity. I credit it to the ancient Greeks.

"Common sense" however, would make for a different discussion.

I see you don't take the bible to be the word of God, well that is good.

But I do take it to be the Word of God. It is the Word of God spoken in human language. The fact that I do not understand it to mean what most Christians you have spoken with suggest it to mean is no surprise. I am not a fundamentalist. You might be happy to know that the fundamentalist hermeneutic is not the only one!

However, to be intellectually honest that leaves you the problem of validating anything it says. Which is impossible, regarding the supernatural claims at least. So what have you got left of Christianity? Oral traditions, and every christian just making up whatever they want, picking and choosing. I don't get the benefit, or really what your point is.

Well, like I said before, I am not really here to make a point. I am here to talk with people who don't just parrot my opinions back at me and pretend to call that a discussion. I enjoy discussing things with people who do not share my views, and I do not do so by presenting arguments.

I appreciate you trying to explain it and I'm not trying to be difficult, but I feel you're trying to just point at Christianity as something special when atheists manage just fine with their morality, and Christians don't actually act much differently (except when the bible lines up with their prejudice).

Well I am not trying to do that. You asked me about Christians, and I gave you an honest answer about what I think, as a Christian. Seeing as my description of goodness and good action has dealt purely with human desire and satisfaction, I was hoping non-theists would help me understand my own thoughts better. As far as atheists with their morality, I agree. Most atheists I know are very decent people who seek the good of others. So what? Atheist or Christian, we are all human beings. I am not of the position that without Christianity a human being is left without some inherent moral compass. The facts just don't correspond to that idea. I am sorry if I have given you any other impression.