RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 28, 2015 at 6:44 pm
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(February 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Could you classify it? No. Could you judge it as either causing an increase or a decrease in desire upon obtaining it? Yes. When did "classify" begin to mean the same thing as judge? Perhaps that is our confusion....There is definitely confusion but I don't know if what you've just said points to a direction of clarity, but I'll try to follow you as best I can...
(February 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Ignorant Wrote: In order to classify something, it MUST be done in reference to judgments about it and other things. In order to judge something as good, bad, whatever, it does not require other things. It merely requires the test of satisfaction or not satisfaction.It sounds like you're wanting me to imagine a scenario with just me and an apple (no other things required, correct?). You want me to imagine the moment I feel compelled to sink my teeth into it. At that moment, I make a judgement about my Apple-biting experience, and that judgement will be based only on whether I got pleasure from eating the apple, or experienced a decrease in pleasure, correct?
I think I see where you're going, and I just want to make sure that I've heard you correctly before I point out what I think to be the flaw in this line of reasoning. In order to avoid adding further confusion, I'll wait...
(February 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Ignorant Wrote: They are not mutually exclusive terms. There are active and judging subjects that encounter and try to make sense of the objects in the world, and there are the objects in the world whose reality is encountered by acting and judging subjects.I just wanted to make sure that we nailed that down. Sometimes it seems like people believe that if something is subjective then there is nothing objective to be extracted from it. We're making tracks here, making tracks!...lets nail some more of this down...
(February 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Have you ever said that a song is good without reference to some other song? I know I have.One last thing...
I don't believe you've ever said "that song was good" without ever having heard other songs.
...This may be where this "Judge/Classify" distinction is causing confusion. I'll come back to this.