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Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
(March 2, 2015 at 3:18 pm)FlyingSpaghettiMonster Wrote: Can someone tell me what progress needs to be made? Why is feminism even needed around, women have the right to vote and apply for jobs what more is needed?
Having rights, specially legal rights is an invalid argument because outlawing something has never been effective in erasing the problem. Laws don't mean anything without authority, will and proper methods to enforce it.

Please tell me how you know so well how easy it is to be a woman. What are your comparative statistical sources to say feminism isn't needed?

Quote:Please answer your own question. Just so I can be clear on where you think feminism is needed here in the states. Please explain to me what issues can be addressed by a large scale feminist movement as opposed to some other strategy?
What other strategy? Specialization brings fragmentation which is a disadvantage, but in contrast it allows for greater tackling of specific problems and issues.

I find it funny listening to Americans saying feminism isn't needed. America compared to Europe is, in some regards terrible to women's rights. Just look at bills passed by republicans to limit reproductive rights, or the wage gap that is much bigger - Specially because some states have modified versions of the employment-at-will labour methodology that disadvantages workers, specially some who belong to less desirable groups.

I'll just say some general problems that affect all countries in the world, including the west (there is no feminist utopia):
- Domestic violence and rape affects women disproportionally and victim-blaming is frequent. This becomes an avalanche because victims start self-blaming and end up not reporting crimes out of fear of not being believed. Rape and domestic violence are two crimes that go very unreported.
- I won't address the wage gap specifically, but gender stereotypes that label some jobs as feminine and others as masculine. Why do women take more time off, choose less well paid jobs and spend more time in household tasks + taking care of kids? Is it really biological and natural? Is it just a choice? Nah, there's no such thing as a free choice. We are all conditioned from birth, and our assigned gender helps to further our limitations. There's no reason for women to not choose well paid jobs because many of those have potential to pay a lot and earn social prestige. Why would women not want this? Additionally, more men in positions of power means women need to rely on men who know nothing about what it's like to be a woman to pass laws for abortion and other female issues that are important. For most jobs, even female dominated ones, you find men earning on average more. The wage gap doesn't mean that male CEO's make more than female secretaries, it means that on average a male CEO makes more than a female CEO, a male cop makes more than a female cop, a male neurologist makes more than a female neurologist, with all variables taking into account including equal working hours and prestige, etc.
- Gender roles and gender stereotypes that still exist and you just need to take a bright look at clothing shops for men and women to see how the separation works. Just look at this example - A woman who works and supports the family is considered highly independent and capable, while a man is considered normal. A man who takes care of kids a lot of times is considered very competent, even if he is just marginally good parent. A woman taking care of kids is considered normal
- A beauty culture that forces women to spend big amounts of money on becoming and being pretty, because it's a women's "biggest weapon", but calls them superficial when they take care of their appearance too much. Men spend less money on beauty and are more pressured into success, both social and economical. This leads into problems such as anorexia, depression, eating disorders, etc.
- In the US there seems to be a lack of proper reproductive rights law enforcement for some women, but I guess it depends on the state. Growing up in a religious household doesn't help.

Please don't reply with "but men suffer in situations X and Y". Men face problems but men's problems are not the same as women's, so equating both is wrong. If someone wants to discuss men's issues, start another thread, I'll happily reply
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community? - by Dystopia - March 2, 2015 at 4:36 pm
SPEEDBUMP - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 4, 2015 at 9:42 am

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