(March 3, 2015 at 4:12 am)robvalue Wrote: The thing is, if someone wants to have just "agnostic" as a position, that is fine. They are using different definitions of words to the standard, that is all. And by their definitions, I'm just agnostic too. It's pointless argueing about whose definitions are better, you just need to pick one or the other so you're on the same page.Well, that's sort of the issue. When one person is going by one definition, and another person is going by the other it is sort of tough for them to find common ground if they cannot agree on the definition of the word.
It's like a "just an agnostic" is standing on exactly the same floor of the belief building as me, but instead of calling it floor 4 they want to call it floor Special K. That's fine. But we're still on the same floor.
It is like someone else said earlier in the thread...
I ask: Do you believe in god?
They say: I am an agnostic.
Is exactly like this example...
I ask: What make and model is your car?
They say: I have a red car.
Sure you're ALLOWED to give that answer if it tickles your pickle but it really tells me nothing about the question which I have asked you. So if someone says they're JUST agnostic that tells me they don't KNOW if there is a god or not, which is great, that's fine and dandy, but the issue here is NO ONE KNOWS. So all you're telling me then is that you're just like everyone else in that NO ONE KNOWS. But what do you BELIEVE to be true? Do you have a belief in a god? OR do you lack belief in a god?
Saying you're just agnostic is fine if that's how you wish to self-identify... but that's like saying...
"I'm agnostic to fairies."
"Right but do you believe they exist?"
"I CANNOT KNOW!"
I mean if that's how you wish to self-identify, then so be it, but it's a bit silly if you ask me.