(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: That is true, but why do they go?Because they want to.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: answer me this question, because this is the basic most fundamental explanation of the wage gap. Why the fuck isn't one gender interested in ruling, having power and earning tons of money + social prestige?
Why does everyone not become a banker? Because they care more about what they do rather than how much money they make.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: You are basically reducing everything to capitalism and labour choices.
No i'm not, i stated in my previous posts there are many reasons for this.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: But it doesn't work like that. There's sociological and cultural influences to be considered. Why do you think some jobs have more males applying and some have more females (Disproportionally)? Don't you think it's at least a little weird considering both men and women have opportunities in education? How do you justify one gender making so different choices? Do you think biology accounts for all of this? Are men programmed to be leaders and women nurturers?
Because men and women are different. Have different preferences. Have different motives.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Mwaaaaah he insulted me because I was telling the truth!
You insulted me by purposefully misrepresenting my hypothetical scenario in order to make me look stupid, prick.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Because:
It is illegal in most countries to fire someone for their gender
Firing 50% of the workforce would cause the collapse of the company and families would starve
Purposeful misrepresentation yet again. I did not mean fire all men within the second. I find it very hard to believe that you actually believed that, so I must conclude that you are just being an asshole.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Additionally, most high ranking jobs are occupied by men so the company needs to keep at least the male leaders.
Women can lead too, now whos being sexist?
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: And some jobs are male dominated and have mostly males working there so it is counterproductive to fire them. It would mean a burden to the company.
Do you mean the manual labour jobs? You know? The hard, tough, gritty, unpleasant jobs that men do and women don't.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: And why do men go mostly for high paying jobs and women go for jobs with childrens?
Because in general, men are more motivated by money and women prefer children. In general.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: C'mon Wolf, you can do better than that. Question everything. You can't say "women don't want better jobs so it is a choice" and not question why those choices happen. Why do you honestly think that women don't go for jobs with positions of power and high paying jobs and, curiously, go mostly for jobs related with children or jobs that have secondary and less prestigious functions
I have questioned why those choices happen, and its not sexism.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: (example - Nurses are considered secondary next to doctors by society)?
And so they should be. Nurses don't go through nearly the same time or level of education as doctors do.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: You are the one disputing an accepted fact, so you're the one who needs to provide evidence. I am merely questioning your assertion. Look, I've always liked the following link to explain the wage gap:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/f...story.html
Accepted fact by who? Clearly not the government as they would arrest employers who paid women less.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Of course you don't want to, how convenient.
I don't know if you've ever tried talking to yourself, but you aren't very pleasant.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Be careful with what you call me, I'm not what you classify as a SJW, but I'm not an ignoramus either and I have a brain to realize life isn't equally easy for both sexes. And now my unpleasantness is the reason you're not arguing?
Yes
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I don't go into a rage, I just dislike dunning-kruger and people making wrong assumptions. I'm trying to be reasonable. I consider I might be wrong, and if I am I will reformulate the position accordingly, but everytime a discussion on feminism comes up you're the one who starts on the premise that feminism is wrong and therefore what comes associated with it is false as well.
No I don't. I'm done with you misrepresenting my position. Again and again.
(March 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: You should at least consider that your point of view can be wrong sometimes. You made the conclusion that there's no unequal pay anymore, that's a very extraordinary claim even for economists.
Firstly, I consider I'm wrong all the time. Don't accuse me of not doing that like a child would when they're losing an arugment with their parents. Second, I didn't say there wasn't unequal pay anymore, I said that there isn't unequal pay for the same work.
I'm probably going to ignore you after this because you've misrepresented me too many times and i'm done correcting you. But still, I can't be bothered to read through loads of peer-reviewed papers right now so i'll just post some videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6usiN4uoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech