RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 24, 2010 at 1:22 pm
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(August 24, 2010 at 12:40 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Perhaps a formal debate between NoGodaloud & TheDarkestOfAngels should be arranged? We haven't had one in ages, and it certainly seems like you two would have a lot to discuss.
If you want to come up with a debate plan privately, you can send it to me via PM and we can set up the debate. Here is a (very) good example of one we had last year: http://atheistforums.org/thread-1813.html
Also, @ Nogodaloud
I think I was actually poking through that the other day. Nonetheless...
I'm reasonably certain that this 'discussion' is over.
He's already showed that he doesn't accept scientific papers, textbooks, and now book quotes.
He's asked me to prove a negative (that miracles don't happen).
He's completely disregarded anything anyone states about the 'historical' past apparently because he's decided that that science is unreliable even though I've proven that no one actually believes that (by showing numerous evolution articles, thus showing that the scientific body relies on this knowledge for many of the benefits we enjoy today).
I've proven (through other articles) that humans have a significant genetic relationship with several animals (one article was even about why mice are used for scientific testing concerning this very reason).
Even though he's come up with nothing substantive to counter my arguements from way back concerning the cosmological arguement and I've decidedly pointed out that no phyicist actually has any professional data or even personal opinion to support his position on the matter.
He's simply going to request 'proof' on the matter and regardless of how much evidence I supply, I've no reason to believe he'll do anything other than disregard all of it and move the goalpost of the burdon of proof he keeps making sure is mine until his expectations are largely unrealistic and he declares victory.
In other words, whatever it'll be, it won't be an honest debate. I'm willing to bet it'll be a largely pointless exercise while I'm hounded by whatever kool-aid he'll try to feed me from his creationist websites as though they were actual 'science' just as he has been.
... but now that I'm looking over the archive link you've provided me, I'd be willing to give it the old college try given that it'll be a moderated discussion. So I'm for the idea, with reservation.
But then I have to remember what Arcanis said there:
"Nobody ever wins or loses in formal debates. Winners and losers are declared in subsequent conversations, of course, but it is no surprise that people's opinions about the debate seem to coincide with the prejudices they had before the debate. " - Arcanis
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan