(March 7, 2015 at 7:57 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: He didn't sacrifice Himself to Himself.
He absolutely did too, that's what the logic was behind Jesus dying at all. The Old Testament version of god used to take animal sacrifices to appease him, and the logic behind dying for our sins was that Jesus was such a sublime sacrifice that he appeases god for all of us at once. The only way you could say god didn't sacrifice himself to himself is if you haven't looked at the broader context surrounding why the resurrection is the way it is.
Quote: He did it for us - it was an expression of His love. And He was flesh and blood, so of course He could die...
And his death was the... sacrifice, by which all our sins could be forgiven by our putative judge, who is the christian god... and also Jesus. So in one breath you say Jesus didn't sacrifice himself to himself, and then in the next breath you say Jesus was a sacrifice to himself.
Quote:by your logic, neither can human beings die, because we are eternal beings as well.
If a process by which you are sacrificed is reversed and then you are gifted additional things, making you better off... did you really make a sacrifice at all?
Quote:And why does God, if He exists outside the laws of physics, have to come from anything? Why do you apply the standards of the creation to the Creator? Why does everything have to operate under rules?
So you don't necessarily believe that things can't come from nothing, or that everything requires some form of source, you just want to apply these problems to everyone else while demanding that there's a special category for you and your god. You do believe there exists a set of things that don't need to come from anything else, you just don't want anyone else to be able to use that category because it's inconvenient to your position.
Special pleading, essentially.
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