Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[MilesAbbott81]

But why wouldn't God be exempt? You can label the argument however you like, but you are again applying rules and limitations to the One Who is beyond all rules and limitations. He must necessarily be beyond such as omnipotent God, no?

If that's what you believe then that's fine, but if that's the case then your argument is entirely backwards too, because now you're accepting the existence of a category of things that exist without coming from anything, in reality, and then further asserting that such a category doesn't contain the universe, without evidence or justification. It is you who is applying extra rules without reason here: you can either say something can't come from nothing but you'd need to stick with that, or you can say that god is exempt from that rule, and then you'd have to prove that point and give us a reason to think that things like universes aren't allowed to also not come from anything.

What you can't do is demand that we all have to follow this rule that you won't, because you said so. Either it's a thing in play or it isn't, but if it isn't a thing, it's not a thing for any of us, not just for you. You don't get to define special rules for yourself.

Again, God is above all rules and limitations. This isn't another category, because that word implies multiple entries. God is the entire category. Everything must have a source, we must eventually be led to a source that is beyond the limitations of physics. The logic is the evidence.

But you think that things don't always need to come from something. Aside from the fiat assertion that only god is allowed to be in that category, how do you justify assuming that the same category isn't available to us?

The category isn't available to you because you refuse this "special pleading" thing of which you speak. You claim it's a non-argument, I say it is perfectly reasonable. If you want to go ahead and say that there were two gods from which all existence sprang, well that would be another discussion I suppose, but at least you would be conceding that there must be a supernatural explanation to explain existence, as there must be, based on the laws of physics.

Physics says the universe is impossible, therefore physics says existence is impossible. And who can accomplish the impossible but God?

We are no closer to understanding how matter came into existence than we were thousands of years ago. It always comes back to the same necessary step of providing an original source, and nothing else even comes close to explaining it as satisfactorily as God.

How is god an explanation for that?

I believe I've answered this several times now. Read above.