(March 7, 2015 at 8:46 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: Again, God is above all rules and limitations. This isn't another category, because that word implies multiple entries. God is the entire category. Everything must have a source, we must eventually be led to a source that is beyond the limitations of physics. The logic is the evidence.
Then you need to demonstrate that god is the entirety of that category, instead of just asserting that.
And also? A pre-big bang universe is beyond the limitations of our understanding of physics. You might want to read some physics sources, before you decide what the current models of it is.
Quote:The category isn't available to you because you refuse this "special pleading" thing of which you speak.
Serious question: do you know what special pleading is, and why it's fallacious? It's okay if you don't, but that is something we'd need to clear up; the way you're saying this makes it look as though you have absolutely no idea what the objection is.
Quote: You claim it's a non-argument, I say it is perfectly reasonable. If you want to go ahead and say that there were two gods from which all existence sprang, well that would be another discussion I suppose, but at least you would be conceding that there must be a supernatural explanation to explain existence, as there must be, based on the laws of physics.
Where in the laws of physics do you get the idea that supernatural causation must be a part of the origin of the universe?
Quote:Physics says the universe is impossible, therefore physics says existence is impossible. And who can accomplish the impossible but God?
I think you're gonna need a citation for that first claim.
Quote:I believe I've answered this several times now. Read above.
Explanations require a "how?" answer. How did god create the universe? If you can't say that, you don't have an explanation when you say god; it's roughly akin to being asked how hot dogs are made, and answering with "meat." Even if you're correct, you've done nothing to advance the knowledge that the questioner actually wanted when they asked you.
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