(March 8, 2015 at 1:39 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:(March 7, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Esquilax Wrote: You've already established that god is the only thing allowed in the category "things that come from nothing"? How did you do that? If you're just referring to the naked assertions you've made thus far, then no, you have not. Just saying something is so doesn't make it true; if you've made an actual argument, with evidence, then save me having to look through nigh on forty pages of material and just give me the cliffs notes version.
Okay, I'll bite.
First, I never said God is in the category of "things that come from nothing." This is what you said:
You do believe there exists a set of things that don't need to come from anything else, you just don't want anyone else to be able to use that category because it's inconvenient to your position.
Pot to kettle, pot to kettle .. come in kettle.
My own position is that there either are or are not 'things' which have always existed but neither I nor you will ever know that. But please, enjoy your god belief if it makes you happy. I'll just go on enjoying the mystery and settle for understanding that which is within my grasp to know.