How Muslims believed earth was spherical long before anybody mentions it.

[Alex K]

Alex K
It's not the diameter, or an attempt to "measure" earth's circumference. It's the bald claim the Quran presented that nobody ever said or believed in for a fact ; which is "Earth is a spherical shaped ball".

I really don't know what you are on about. Of course he assumed that the earth is a ball, that's what the whole geometry of his measurement is based on.

Saying earth is a ball, is so different from trying to measure its circumference or size. Saying earth is a ball, that contains "Heavy weights inside" is a bald claim, Alex K. That's the difference.

Simply saying the earth is a ball is indeed different from measuring the circumference of a ball, in the sense that the former is a trivial statement delivered 1000 years later when it was old news.

To support my point more :


( 25 ) Have We not made the earth a container
( 26 ) Of the living and the dead?
( 27 ) And We placed therein lofty, firmly set mountains and have given you to drink sweet water. Page 581

Is there supposed to be anything in there pertaining to the discussion at hand?

( 1 ) When the earth is shaken with its [final] earthquake
( 2 ) And the earth discharges its Athqal (translated to burdens ; more accurately it should be translated to "weights" #check note below).
( 3 ) And man says, "What is [wrong] with it?" -
( 4 ) That Day, it will report its news
( 5 ) Because your Lord has commanded it.

Again, there's absolutely nothing in there pertaining to your claims.

Dude the sun has a course, along with the whole solar system, orbiting the center of the milky way.

Check this verse which told people about it 1400 years ago before NASA :

( 37 ) And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of] day, so they are [left] in darkness.
( 38 ) And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
( 39 ) And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.
( 40 ) It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming. Page 442.

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

About the sun's orbit and how the quran spoke of it accurately ; that's another topic : )

You are seriously claiming that the author is not simply talking about the Ptolemaian orbits of the sun and moon around the earth? Because of course that's what he's talking about, you can tell from the text treating the orbits of sun and moon as basically in the same category.

And by the way, about the sun reaching the moon business, it seems that the author thinks the position of the moon has something to do with when it's night, when it is completely independent of that (solar eclipses, duh). And that they even have to mention that night does not overtake day reveals a deep ignorance of how night and day come about in the first place. To me it reads like the author was dumb as shit, incompetent when it comes to astronomy. In any case, any scholar knowing about heliocentrism wouldn't have written it like that.

You are so desperate to see something in there that isn't there, that you have to ignore the obvious interpretation of these things and read something deeper into it in hindsight.