Is it possible to maintain and respect cultural heritage and not be a racist

[Drich]

So, I'm guessing you missed my point -- to wit, that her color is irrelevant to the build quality, meaning that the employer has no appeal to real-world issues in defending their hiring practices if such are racist.

for some this is absolutly true. For my FUBU example color of the manufacturer was the whole reason for the product.

What matters to me is that a non-bigot should not have to do research in order to avoid funding bigotry. What matters to me is that everyone in this country should have an equal opportunity to land a job.

Again if a manufacturer is making an effort to produce a ethenicly specific product I'm sure it would be included in their marketing.

If you don't want to hire black folk in your business, buy a Congressman and get done with it.

I don't have to hire black, blue, yellow, or even white 'folk' so long as my numbers do not exceed 15.

And you seem very comfortable with that approach.

what is wrong with that approach. I applauded their efforts till I found out they were outsourcing to china. I think it is ok to say here is a product specifically made by a people for a people, in an effort to support those people. Koreans do this all the time and so do other cultures. They seek to send money with in their communities first, and then out source if need be. I'm asking why can western culture also adopt this method?

Bullshit and applebutter. You cry at the first sight of resistance against your dear little faith, whining and moaning like a five-dollar whore.

I started my own business for that very reason. My orginal position (I had for almost 10 years) with the company I was with was given to a nephew of my direct supervisor. It was a good olde boys club, where friends and family had greater pull than time on the job and skill. Why else would a guy who only job experience was 3 years laying tile take the place of a 10 year employee?

So I quit and took an offer with another guy and started our own company together. two years after that I bought out my 1/2 the business and never looked back. The great irony in all of this was I actually hired the guy who they replace me with sometime later.

Yeah, you answered your own question, and aren't smart enough to realize it. In the Gilded Age of laissez-faire capitalism, we had racist hiring, child-labor abuse, events like the Triangle Shirtwaist fire. I'm a recovering libertarian, and I certainly agree that that government is best which governs least, but the fact is that as society gets more complex, least is necessarily a rising variable.

Youre right I did answer a question that I saw most of you would default to. then I said we do not live in that time anymore, and if we were to be allowed to go back to supporting our own racial/cultural tendancies I dont think we would return to that time where one race dominated all others.

I would think we would simply subdivide our cultures with in our cities. like in NY. where their is a China town, and a little seoul, and little itialy ect.. where people who want to do buisness with just their race would tend to stay on the inside of those boarders and those willing to deal with anyone would be on the outside or like now have their businesses anywhere.

I don't think you get it. But then again, you're on record advocating slavery as a good thing, so it's not like you're a terribly thoughtful person.

I don't think you understand the full concept of accepting modern slavery.
It's not a matter of killing the concept. Slavery is alive and well, more over your life, your mod cons, your food would not be possible if not for slavery. so again you directly benfit from it. What i advocate is the acknoweledgement of it so it can be regulated, and those in modern slavery can have the protection and benfit of govermental regulation and oversite.

To pretend slavery is the picture 12 years a slave drew is head in the sand foolishness.

For the record yes that slavery was bad, very bad, and that is why I say we need to stop pretending slavery no longer exists, because without oversite the 12 years a slave picture can grow unchecked just out of sight, in a product like sugar that is apart of everyone's everyday life.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson...avery.html

so tell me again sport, who "Doesn't get it?"

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Drich, what is going on with you? Are you trying to offend people? Even for you this thread seems a bit over the top

I just see both side of the arguement.

When I was small I wanted to live as an american. So did my Father so we assimilated my mom's culture and made her and her parents change to fit a more 'normal' white american life style. while he never bocked at anything they did, he certainly did not support nor did he want us to be apart of anything completely korean once we were out of diapers.

My dad was a bit hippish, so nothing he did wasnt truly malicious, he just wanted to have a vanalla flavored household where no one or nothing was offensive to white people/americans. So alot (not all) of my mother's culture was abandoned.

Now in light of the selma thread, fergason and all the other racial tension over words and how people truly want to live ( No N*gg*rs in SAE or the other White power contraversy at some game or collage) why not just let that part of the population go and do what they want?

Who are any of we to say that those people and their race/cultural beliefs are wrong. How is that any different than what ISIS is doing?
We as a soceity need to understand that not everyone want to be vannilla.

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Is someone stopping you from "preserving your differences"? Doubtful.

No, but in the example of the SAE farternity, that whole chapter was shut down for doing what they thought was the right thing to do appearently. Again right and wrong being subjective and based on their cultural norms.

Look, if those guys want an all white club house then why not let them have it? I certainly don't want someone in my club house who thinks I should not be a member, so why not let those people all assemble under one roof and just keep tabs on them?

Preserve away, is your wife onboard...and which way are you taking it?

Me I like vanallia that way i can sprinkle on different things when I want.. But again I understand not everyone wants that. some people only want choclate with Nuts. so why not let them be choclate with nuts?
They just got to understand the same thing. They can force me to have choclate with nuts if I dont want it, so the need to keep choclate with nuts contained in the choclate with nuts community.

(guess we should get on that though - gonna have to order alot of brown shirts and armbands..I suppose, being the man and all..and by we I mean me, not you, clearly)

My wife is of the blonde hair and blue eye variety, and she reminds me that after i start the revolution she will have to do her part and sell me out to the new gestapo.

I tell her like I'm telling you. I not looking for one race to dominate all others. I'm looking for a TRULY FREE soceity. One where volintary segergation is allowed if and when a given community wants it..

I still don't understand why you persist, you don't feel that every group needs to be included in these sorts of decisions....your group (consisting of just you, apparently), is one of those groups that can be comfortably excluded. Whats the problem?

Well me my cousins my sisters and Keanu Reeves

Just to put in a kind word for you, it's remarkable, and I think commendable, how well you've assimilated into the mans culture in C. Florida, espousing those views which provide us with the most leverage despite being an obvious outsider yourself.

Indeed. Sometimes it takes an outside perspective to point out the obvious.

Maybe we'll be able to find you a good job in the ghettos watching all the others? Don't worry, we take care of our pets (until we don't) and you can totally count on our word. If you ever feel uneasy about where I, the man, plan to take things...just take solace in the fact that all of your favorite radio programs will be available, and that barbed wire does not interfere with reception (in fact..it enhances it..just another way we're looking out for you). We will make -damned sure- that you receive your daily does of bigotry in the manner and through the media with which you are already familiar.

-yet another service that we provide.

Again, maybe you don't quite grasp the idea that one race is to dominate another. Again what I'm looking to establish is a truly free soceity where if one want to not intermingle with those of other races they should not have to.

Obviously there are those of both the white and black communities that do not want anything to do with one another. so why force them to comingle?