(March 17, 2015 at 9:37 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(March 17, 2015 at 11:09 am)abentwookie Wrote: Dissent? Why would you join a group if you don't share their values in the first place? That would be like me joining a Christian fundamentalist or Libertarian group even though I have nothing in common with either of them. That makes no sense.
Most of the prominent members involved with Atheism Plus definitely support social justice. However, I don't think they support people with opposing values joining the group just to stir up trouble, which was what was happening. This happens with any group. There are always those who will join just to try to tear it apart from within...
I think the idea that ideas must be "hashed out" in a "safe space" is misguided. I think ideas, not matter how noble, should be subject to scrutiny, including adversarial questioning on controversial issues. The failure to do this seems likely to inculcate groupthink, and impede the probing of downsides to potential policy proposals.
I don't disapprove what the user you are replying to said - If I created a group just for an ideologically homogeneous demographic I would expect all members to be either a part of the same ideology or to abide by certain boundaries. Yes, ideas should be questioned, but if you go to a Christian forum to say that god doesn't exist they will rightfully ban you; if you go to a communist forum to say that capitalism is perfect, they will rightfully ban you; if you go to a music forum to say music sucks, they will rightfully ban you.
Yes, ideally everything should be up to question, but in human societies (and internet groups are somewhat similar to the former in structure) imperfection reigns. I noticed some people on A+ seem to be former victims of some kind of abuse and really want to make justice for the cause, so basically everyone is ideologically motivated.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you