How Muslims believed earth was spherical long before anybody mentions it.

[WinterHold]

IT DEPENDS on when and where that dictates your behavior, not "never". If we never blasphemed anything we would still be living in the dark ages.

A critical mentality is a must to arise a civil community, but it gotta have its limits, whenever it starts to cross the borders I mentioned before : making a person doubt, for example, their brain capabilities

Stimbo





It's a fact that it exists, Stimbo. and the expansions of black holes mean one thing : we'll get sucked inside ; too.
The rip theory isn't yet the final conclusion, as the big crunch also makes sense and has its evidence, and this SMBH now adds up more cream to the mixture.

http://www.quora.com/Will-the-black-hole...-our-earth

Nooooo Stimbo I don't think this is utter crap !

If we do manage to survive being kicked out of the galaxy, then eventually the Sun (or Earth) will fall into the central galactic supermassive black hole after around 10^30 years (1 nonillion). Current estimates are that there's about a few percent chance that this happens. So, if we wait long enough, yes, we might end up merging with our central supermassive black hole. In this case, long enough doesn't mean millions of years, but about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 million years!

Of course, this isn't certain. I mentioned that it was more likely that we'd be kicked out of the galaxy. As it turns out, there are other possible processes astronomers have thought about by which we could still end up in a black hole, though we don't really know.

JuliaL

You were confronted on a specific, easily refuted with minimal research, false claim you made.
You have admitted the claim was false.

Yes, I deserve a cookie.

1) you are not a serious person.

No, I'm dead serious. Don't think I treat the book I believe in & the god I worship with disrespect. Never. Being sarcastic or involving a cheap joke here or there is my defense mechanism to eliminate heat. Never think that it indicates I'm not serious.

2) you are not an intelligent person.

My work speaks for me. The programmers who can write C++,java, PHP, javascript, full mastery of the android platform, soon to reach full mastery of ASP.NET (with C#), along with SQL, can never, ever, be unintelligent enough. Especially after knowing, that the author's english (along with his programming skills) were 90% developed via self study.

Nah I know I'm intelligent enough. Not a narcissist though. And thank god for what he gave me..

3) you did research your claim, knew it was false, yet for your amusement put it forward here thinking we were too stupid to refute it.

I personally know -after 2 years on this forum- that many members work at unversities, or poses very very very high certificates in physics and related scientific fields, along with many others who studied history extensively .
and I'm not the type of person who lies or underestimates others.

4) you were too lazy to research your claim.

Yes ; I didn't research probably, and counted on my sources alone, putting in my head that mentions of greek are no more that conquistador attempts to keep the knowledge stream european ; which your link -about the indian scholar- did make me think twice.

5) you are unable to evaluate your claim because your mind has been so clouded by religious indoctrination.

Cultural and racist, I would say.

And here I say it with a bold again :
SHAME ON ME.


But am I totally wrong ? no. Great empires did make attempts to steel knowledge and re-write it in its name, and dante's inferno is a huge example.

Only the second possibility was not worthy of ridicule as it is not your fault.
Those who mocked you here were only playing the odds.

Ah it's fine. I can't control how people see me.

Beccs

What a drauger !

Chuck

elaborate.

Stimbo

The black hole is nothing but a scientific fact that I'm trying to link with the Quran..and I didn't say "at any time".
The controversy of the afterlife is actually all about this.

and yet I didn't grasp my evidence, though I might after a "certain amount of years" of research.

Cato


Yes, a few :

(66 ) Said the eminent ones who disbelieved among his people, "Indeed, we see you in foolishness, and indeed, we think you are of the liars."
( 67 ) [Hud] said, "O my people, there is not foolishness in me, but I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds."
Al-A'RAAF
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

( 52 ) Similarly, there came not to those before them any messenger except that they said, "A magician or a madman."
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

( 27 ) [Pharaoh] said, "Indeed, your 'messenger' who has been sent to you is mad."
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

About those who don't accept the truth :

( 256 ) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

Sorry for enlarging the above, yet because no matter how much I copy this verse and paste it, non-Muslims would still ask the same question.

Cato, I care not about the Hadith, THIS IS WHAT THE QURAN SAYS ABOUT THOSE WHO DON'T BELIEVE AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO THEM : NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.

Which is a secular concept, if you can't see.

Why do you take Sunnies & Shittes as your "source of Islamic acts" ? Sunna & Shia forged the Islam and don't practice the Quran purely btw, they practice the Hadith more.

Cato, if the Quran is god's word, then no hadith, or an ayatollah or a goddamn Imam, can come and contradict its verses and still be called "islam". Yet sunnah & shia did that ; i actually don't consider them an example of islam.

I swear that the Quran didn't order to kill non-Muslims -or anybody else-, unless they started to kill. And I brought forth many verses to say, that once they cease, muslims shall cease too.

Furthermore I used the "no compulsion" verse, but yet you and many others ignore it, to repeat the same broken record !

STOP THINKING THAT SUNNI ISLAM OR SHIA ISLAM IS THE TRUE RELIGION.

And about splitting the moon ? nah mohammed peace be upon him didn't do that, you'll only find that in the Hadith, while the verse directly says :

( 1 ) The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].
( 2 ) And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

That, is the only verse about the moon crack. Nobody knows when it was, or if it ever happened, and probably the verse points to an event that would take place near judgement day ; not even in Mohammed's peace be upon him's time.

Sunna & Shia, via hadith, said it was Mohammed who did it.

The source didn't say it. It was forged via the hadith that mohammed did it.
The source only said the above.