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Sins
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RE: Sins
I think the biggest misunderstanding with sin as it relates to Christianity I see repeated over and over in this thread is that you all seem to be arguing from the position the idea of sin somehow binds the Christian or more over that a Christian must be sin free, and that sin or the identification of it in one's life must mean that one has to change what he is doing to live a sin free existance..

While there are branches of Christianity that teach this, and we can bind ourselves this way, this life of 'legalism' is not what biblical Christianity is about. True biblical Christianity draws a completely different picture of sin and the believer's relationship to it. In fact Atheism/living by pop 'morality' has one live closer to this model of do goodery than what is expected of us.

In short once we accept Christ our forgiveness of sin is based on how we love God and our ablity to forgive those who sin against us. (Treating others as we want to be treated.) Does that mean we get to do what we want? Absolutly. because if we love God with all of our being then what we want will be what God wants for us. Does that mean we continue to sin? Yes, we will continue to sin. Then what changes? our love for sin. We can not love our sin and Love God with all of our being.

Basically God wants our best effort. Not what we lable orfeign as our best, he truly wants all that we can offer, for our failings we have grace.

This whole principle is spelled out in romans 7 (The whole Chapter.) It is where the apstole Paul himself admits to being a hopeless sinner. He identifies himself as a slave to sin. He goes on to say, because is Sin's slave he can not help but sin. But, while he sins he hates it and all that he does. If such a line can be drawn he tells us then it is not us who sin, but the sin living within our bodies.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

Being Gay as it relates to sin.

Is homosexual sex a sin? Absolutly!!!
Is straight sex a sin? Absolutly, In the same exact way homosexual sex is a sin.

What does that mean?

It means ALL Sex outside of a santified marriage is the SAME EXACT SIN! God sees and identifies Sexual sin, all sexual sin merrits the same 'death'. Gay or Straight.

So is being gay a choice?? ABSOLUTLY just like Choosing to have straight sex out side of a santified marriage, is also a choice.

The difference? God does not santify a homosexual marriages. Therefore it is always a sin to have gay sex, where as hetro-sex has a santified pretext in which it is permitted.

What does this mean? it means the same thing it meant to Paul in Romans 7. The sinner must seek out attonement and turn from his sin. Just like a hetro couple would who was not married.
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Sins - by Nope - March 18, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Sins - by dyresand - March 18, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 18, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 4:05 am
RE: Sins - by Tonus - March 19, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 18, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Sins - by h4ym4n - March 19, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Sins - by h4ym4n - March 19, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 18, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 18, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 18, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 18, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Sins - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Sins - by Jesusislord - March 18, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 18, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 18, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Sins - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 7:22 am
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 19, 2015 at 7:29 am
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 20, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 20, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 20, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 20, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 20, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 20, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Sins - by Minimalist - March 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Sins - by Silver - March 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Sins - by Spooky - March 18, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Sins - by vorlon13 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Sins - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Sins - by Ravenshire - March 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Sins - by Cyberman - March 18, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 18, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Sins - by Homeless Nutter - March 18, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 5:28 am
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:33 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 19, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 19, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 9:14 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 19, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Sins - by Mudhammam - March 19, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 19, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Sins - by Cyberman - March 19, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Sins - by Tonus - March 19, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Sins - by vorlon13 - March 19, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 19, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Sins - by Spooky - March 19, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Sins - by jesus_wept - March 19, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Sins - by Mudhammam - March 19, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 19, 2015 at 3:51 pm
RE: Sins - by Spooky - March 19, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 19, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 19, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 20, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 5:00 am
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 20, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 4:41 pm
RE: Sins - by Cyberman - March 20, 2015 at 1:37 am
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 20, 2015 at 6:56 am
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Sins - by Ravenshire - March 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 20, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 20, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 20, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Sins - by Cyberman - March 20, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 20, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 20, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Sins - by robvalue - March 20, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 20, 2015 at 4:22 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 20, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Sins - by Norman Humann - March 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Sins - by Nope - March 20, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 20, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Sins - by Cyberman - March 20, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 20, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 22, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 22, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 22, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: Sins - by KevinM1 - March 22, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Sins - by daver49 - March 22, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 22, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 22, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 22, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 22, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Sins - by abaris - March 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Sins - by Joods - March 22, 2015 at 11:02 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Sins - by Ravenshire - March 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Sins - by Drich - March 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Sins - by wiploc - March 22, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Sins - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 22, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Sins - by Thumpalumpacus - March 22, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE: Sins - by Chad32 - March 22, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Sins - by Regina - March 23, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Sins - by FatAndFaithless - March 23, 2015 at 8:09 pm

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