Who are your favorite current Atheists?

[Jenny A]

And what do you mean behave? Do you mean - Not being nice to anyone because that can be interpreted as a "sexual sign"?

Citation needed Jenny.

Not behaving like a victim. That means standing tall and not shrinking. It has nothing to do with sexual signaling. It has everything to do with not signaling weakness.

Yes and people with locked doors get robbed too. But I wouldn't advise anyone to leave their doors unlocked.

I still need evidence that there's one ideal type of victim

If we are not talking date rape, and I'm not, the question is not who's ideal, but who's most easily raped. That's why walking tall is helpful.

So basically you are saying that Schrodinger's rapist is true - Literally - Because that equates not trusting any man you've just met (and most rapists are probably not showing rapist "traits", they'll be nice and "normal") and potentially almost not dating since rapists are not discernible from non rapists - What you propose here is no social life for women, because that's the only way to significantly prevent rape - And it means you may not be raped but other women will be

Preventing date rape is not what I was talking about. This is a non-sequitur.

Did you watch the video. We are talking body language here and not provocative body language, but vulnerable body language.

Define vulnerable, because to me it may be different, and for rapists as well... In my opinion anyone who is smaller than me looks vulnerable - Conclusion, anyone is a potential rape material

I'm small. But I can be safer by acting bigger, whether the danger is violent rate, mugging, or a cougar. Doesn't make me invulnerable by any means, but it does make me safer. In fact, having intervened in a couple violent situations, I know that just aggressively moving forward rather than backing in response to a threat is useful.

Rapes on the street are not the norm - And you are correct about preventing crimes like mugging - I dress very dark at night and use a weird thug hat to scare people - But still, it's not going to be useful because the majority of rapes are not in the dark alley with a knife. Tf00t is not precise with body language, he gives no useful advice except against a certain kind of rapist that composes about 1-10% of the population

Violent rape happens and it's the kind of rape I am talking about. Though really, just being sure of yourself is helpful in avoiding other kinds of harassment too, including the kind of rape you are talking about. Women who appear sure of themselves are less likely to be victims in any situation.

Then specify it. Tf00t's video was against the "teach men not to rape" and that phrase is used mostly against common everyday rapes and not psychopathic violent rapists - Those are the only ones you probably will not be able to teach not to rape because they lack empathy. The popular slogan talks about the majority of rapists who rape someone they know and are not psychos, they simply rationalize behaviour and think it is appropriate to rape or opportunistic at least. Can you use self-defense? Totally, yes - But to think women don't take "precautions" already is naive - Didn't your parents teach you to not accept drinks from strangers, to not walk alone at night, etc? Does it work to decrease crime? No, you may not be raped, but others will eventually will.

First of all the psychos are out there, I met one rather more personally than I might like. Secondly, TF did not argue against teaching men not to rape. He did suggest that rather strongly, and I agree that stopping there does a disservice to women. We are not children. Paying attention to what we do matters. Not all men can be, or have been taught not to rape. Behaving as if they have is dangerous. Educate men all you like, I'm much more than good with that. But educate women too. That is my point and as I heard the video TF's.