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March 21, 2015 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2015 at 11:50 am by Dystopia.)
(March 21, 2015 at 10:52 am)One Above All Wrote: Teaching people self-defense skills is not the same as teaching them that they're responsible for whatever happens to them. Your comparison is idiotic, Dystopia. Additionally, "teaching people not to rape" works about as well as "teaching people not to steal/murder/jaywalk".Actually, there is evidence that higher education of citizenship reduces all kinds of crime - You can look at northern European countries that have a good public education system. Additionally, if you look at countries like Saudi Arabia, you notice that rape is acceptable (specially between husband and wife) and therefore rapes are pretty high. So yeah, it corroborates my view, because ultimately all our problems come from a lack of education and healthy ideas. Why do you think rape is now lower than it was 50 years ago? Probably because with feminists and women activists rape is now looked at as a serious crime that shouldn't be done and not as something husbands and men can do to women (and other men)
Self-defense is simply a handy tool for... you guessed it, self-defense. No, you're not to blame. But it wouldn't harm you in the least if you can kick your aggressor's ass in ten seconds flat. In fact, it would harm them. As for "teaching people not to (...)", who the fuck do you think is teaching people to rape?
My problem is not with teaching people self-defence, it's simply that it's not going to erase the problem. I think teaching self-defence for rape is the same thing as telling me I should learn self-defence to prevent mugging, I don't have that social obligation - You can teach self-defence but what you're doing is putting pressure on people to prevent crimes against them instead of investing in citizenship, education and sexual consent.
Statistically, if someone knows self-defence, that person will be able to prevent rape, but the rapist will rape someone else who doesn't know how to defend herself - Results = The statistics don't change, only the victim. Also, sometimes rape happens in contexts that people are either unable to defend themselves or simply putting it are afraid of the consequences specially if the aggressor is stronger.
I think no one teaches people to rape (or very few sick parents do that) - But how many parents teach kids to not rape as soon as well as teaching them not to steal? Sex is taboo, and naturally it is discussed less. Do you know that some aggressors truly don't know that what they do is rape? For instance, some rapists think having sex with someone who is literally passed out or asleep is not rape, and others think that after sex has started and the other party says "stop", they're still good to finish without consent. What does this tell us? Not that people are taught to rape, but they're not taught well enough to not rape. Murder, theft and even torture are incomparable because those crimes happen in different cases - Example - Theft happens mostly for profit, while rape is a relationship of power/submission, and murder happens for over 10 reasons I can think of, namely money, profit, anger, emotion, drugs, passion, state affairs, etc.
Oh a small edit - If you did decide to teach self-defence, since criminals are not dumb or stupid, most likely rapists would think "what can I do to counter this?" - Reply - Use a gun, learn martial arts, use rape drugs, etc. My point is that criminals eventually find a way to counter prevention and security so teaching self-defence wouldn't work in the long run. The method of self-defence on the grand scale is like giving guns to everyone and leaving those people to defend themselves - Some may shoot the criminal on time, but it isn't useful on the long run and criminals would most likely find bigger guns
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