(March 31, 2015 at 4:46 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Yep, and Christians do the same thing with God. They make a plausible argument for a deist God, and then they claim to have proven Yahweh.
We could ask the same question about the inspiration for the Biblical flood story
- flood that covered the whole Earth
- flood like the Black Sea being filled
- once in a lifetime flood in Mesopotamia
- ordinary experience with flooding that many cultures experienced
Where do you draw the line between history and myth? I think that is what Alex K was saying in regards to Jesus?
But a lot of that we know simply never happened. We know for a fact that there was never a flood that covered the whole Earth. We know there was never a flood that covered all of the Middle East. We have records of floods at Ur and Kish and other places that simply do not line up temporally. The Black Sea claim is just the latest example of Christians scrambling for evidence they can twist to fit their pre-existing beliefs instead of following the evidence to a conclusion whether they like it or not. This is why we have to check all of their claims to see if they are actually so and in virtually every case, they are not. The only cultures that report flood myths are the ones who live in coastal or flood plain areas. Peoples who lived inland very rarely ever had flood traditions at all. When you examine the myths of those who do tell stories about floods, they have little, if anything, in common. Of course, the Christians won't mention this because it gets in the way of their narrative.
Christians, and indeed other religious groups, are quite desperate to get from point A to point B, but they can't get there without some massive leap of illogic and they get mad at us for pointing out how irrational their ideas really are.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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