(March 31, 2015 at 5:07 pm)Nestor Wrote: While the primary sources for Jesus' life can't be considered "objective" (historical record rarely, if ever, is), objective evidence for his existence can still be gleaned from them. Examples such as the cobbling together of a virgin birth narrative that places Jesus' delivery in Bethlehem while he was commonly regarded as a Nazarene, or the clumsy attempts to side-step the significance of his baptism by John the Baptist, suggest a historical core to the story. I've come to the conclusion that those who deny Jesus' existence shoulder a much greater burden of proof that involves a lot of handwaving and dismissal of evidence for no other apparent reason than to remain consistent in their prior bias, and reach conclusions which require more improbability than the basic thesis, that a Galilean named Jesus influenced others who then organized a church.
No, unsupported stories about a Galilean named Jesus influenced others that then organized a church. This says nothing about whether or not those stories are factually true, which is really the whole point of this thread. Much of the influence that church has had on the world has come from force and indoctrination, not by convincing people that the stories are actually so. We have no more need to disprove the existence of Jesus than we do to disprove the existence of Harry Potter. Unsupported claims of all kinds can be rejected, solely by citing their lack of supporting evidence. Jesus isn't supported, thus it rests entirely on the shoulders of the believers to show why any of us ought to take this ridiculous story seriously.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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