(April 2, 2015 at 11:47 am)xmark27 Wrote: Many of you are strong people and well educated I believe. You keep ignoring the fact that the chances of there being life, an intelligent life is literally impossible if you go by using your common mathematical equations. Ask any man who is well equipped in the concept of math and science, what are the chances of there being life here and the number will frighten you. You may say things to God and laugh and say "see its a load of crap" but he is listening. I doubted his existence at one time and said no it is not possible. It cant be because there is to much suffering in this world. I did so much research and tried putting this whole puzzle together using science and math. God gives us freewill to do whatever we want. We choose our path. You say then why is this world so messed up and why do so many people suffer and die? If there was a God then why does he let his happen? This isn't Gods work. We do this to ourselves.
Not an argument. There certainly are WORLDWIDE people of all religions who accept science but still shove the god of the gaps argument in when they hit a gap they have not filled yet.
Science as a process itself is religion independent regardless of the personal beliefs of those who might be scientists. There is no ALLAH theory of entropy anymore than there is a Thor theory of lightening.
When a religious person, layperson or scientist, cant prop up their god claim, they either attack science and when they cant do that they try to co opt science. I have seen this tactic from Christians and Muslims and Hindus and even once a Rastafarian.
Religion is not universal. Scientific method itself has never required the scientist to hold a personal belief, it has always been religion independent.
Victor Stenger's "New Atheism" says something I agree with 100%. While true some scientists are willing to treat religion and god separately from the lab, he was not a fan of splitting the baby. He does say in that book, if something has evidence for it, we should expect, even if we cannot see it directly, the affects it has on the objects we can observe. Basically in that book he says sciences DOES have something to say about god claims.
