(March 31, 2015 at 4:37 pm)Cephus Wrote: It depends on what you mean by Jesus. Are you talking about a regular guy upon whom the mantle of godhood was posthumously draped? Maybe, although we have absolutely no contemporary eyewitness accounts. Are you talking about some man-god with magical powers? Absolutely not. Unfortunately, this is a game that Christians play all the time, they try to get people to admit that maybe, just maybe, the regular guy might have been real, then they leap to the conclusion that it proves the man-god must have really existed. Nothing could be further from the truth.It is similar to the arguments about whether or not god exists. Although they are speaking of a specific version of a specific god, they fall back on trying to show how any type of god could exist. The difficulty in determining if there was a real person on whom the Jesus of the NT is based is in itself a mark against the likelihood that he was the incarnation of god and that he walked about performing great supernatural feats and giving awe-inspiring speeches and did so many amazing things that John says that "if every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
Instead we get a few letters written decades after he died, and the occasional reference from people who apparently weren't the slightest bit moved at the thought that god himself had only recently walked the Earth.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould