(April 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm)dat Wrote: The discussion proceeds between 1) those who think there is a proof of God's existence; 2) those who think there is a proof of God's non-existence; and 3) those who are unsure but are capable of contributing to the debate by taking, in a purely speculative way, at one point one side, and at another the other side, as matters appear to them.
It's the same simplistic black and white scheme over and over again.
I call myself an agnostic because I don't possess all the knowledge of the universe. If I did, I would be god. Calling myself an agnostic doesn't imply doubts about the nonexistence of the christian god. Or the jewish or muslim franchise for that matter. I'm also sure about Zeus, Odin, Morrigan and all the other gods humans have dreamt up over the ages to fill their gaps of knowledge.
Why? Because the pieces don't fit. All these gods are basically superheroes or supervillains from a cheap comic book. They're human through and through with human vices, human traits, human pettiness and very human behavior. What's more, considering scientific knowledge - and going back to the christian rendition - why would an all knowing, all powerful creator wait about 10 billion years before creating planet earth? Why would this being wait another four billion years for his favorite creation to evolve? And why would this being suddenly crop up in the desert to make himself known to a not too civillized tribal half nomadic people?
We, as humans, are a chicken fart in earth's existence. We came into being five minutes before midnight. Right now we've clocked off about 5 percent of the time the dinosaurs walked the earth and that's taking the most generous estimates. Assuming you know all that, it's pretty hard to subscribe to the christian god or any god for that matter. I don't know you, I don't know anything about your believes, but if you're actually subscribing to the Adam and Eve story, there's simply no use to discuss the matter any further.