RE: Atheist or Agnostic?
April 3, 2015 at 10:44 pm
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2015 at 10:48 pm by Bad Wolf.)
(April 3, 2015 at 10:12 pm)datc Wrote: I do not understand why you partition "belief" and "knowledge" this way.
I didn't, this is the agreed use of the terms.
datc Wrote:"Belief" is not "blind faith without evidence"I didn't say that.
datc Wrote:; it's a very normal and everyday intellectual phenomenon: an assent to a proposition.Yes and very distinct from knowledge. And I don't know why you have to call it an assent to a proposition, belief is belief, just call it that.
datc Wrote:Further, knowledge is often defined (not entirely correctly, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion) as justified true belief.
"justified true belief' ? Why do you have to phrase it like that? Knowledge is things we think we know. I know that 2+2=4 or at least I think I do.
datc Wrote:Knowledge and belief are not independent of each other.
No but they are concepts that are different enough to warrant separate words with different meanings.
datc Wrote:One cannot know P without giving mental assent to, i.e., without extending belief to, P.So what you are saying is that you can't know something without believing it. I suppose I can agree with that but knowledge and belief are still two different concepts no matter how related they are.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
