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Atheist or Agnostic?
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic?
(April 4, 2015 at 6:06 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, lets suppose atheists are wrong and a god does exist.

But the god that exists is one that values intellectual honesty and critical thinking. This god is responsible for creating all religions and holy books, but as a test to weed out the credulous and gullible.

Since intellectual honesty and critical thinking are virtues, and the Christian God desires that we be virtuous, He most likely does value these things. I know I do.

The Pascal's wager may have some import for those who are already leaning heavily toward Christianity but who still have a few doubts in their hearts.

Think of it as the absolutely last resort for coming to true beliefs about God.

Quote:After all, there is no evidence for the nonexistence of this god, right, datc?

I am a "gnostic theist" regarding a rather particular version of the Christian God. I can prove that He exists, and in proving it, unfold God's attributes one by one, or so I hope. By the end of these proofs a concept of God would have been built up, and it would be shown that this concept refers to something real. (I do not claim of course that my proofs are the only ones available; at any rate, metaphysics and theology are queens of the sciences, and as is well-known, to become queen, a pawn has to traverse the entire "field" of knowledge, and I certainly have not done that.)

So, yes, I'd be a (speculative) agnostic and (practical) atheist regarding all other types of gods; I don't know anything about them, nor do I care. My (mostly Catholic) God suffices for me.
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Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by FatAndFaithless - April 3, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by FatAndFaithless - April 3, 2015 at 3:32 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 3:48 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Mudhammam - April 3, 2015 at 10:44 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Bad Wolf - April 3, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 4, 2015 at 10:59 am
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by abaris - April 4, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Cyberman - April 4, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Mister Agenda - April 6, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Whateverist - April 4, 2015 at 12:25 am
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 4, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 4, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 4, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 4, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 4, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by abaris - April 3, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 3, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Ravenshire - April 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by robvalue - April 4, 2015 at 3:57 am
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by robvalue - April 4, 2015 at 2:57 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Cyberman - April 4, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 4, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by datc - April 4, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Simon Moon - April 4, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by downbeatplumb - April 5, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Ravenshire - April 6, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Mudhammam - April 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Whateverist - April 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by robvalue - April 4, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Whateverist - April 4, 2015 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Mister Agenda - April 6, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist or Agnostic? - by Bad Wolf - April 6, 2015 at 6:05 pm
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