General argument for Islam.

[Mystic]

MK, that sounds a lot like Drich's A.S.K.... Ask Seek, Knock, and eventually god opens the door...

I still see only people telling others how to exploit their own mental shortcomings into deluding themselves even further.
I must say: it has worked wonderfully!
Doesn't mean that god exists for real... nor that those prophets and imams got their info from any god... just means they knew something about how human minds work.

My understanding is that we are all connected, and we just have to remember these truths which we always acknowledge in some form or another.  We believe in exalted nature of love, we believe in praise and value, we believe in ranks and that actions lower or raise our rank, all this the affair between the 7 heavens and the 7 earths, and to remember God and his Unity, and the place of meeting God, which his throne and chair that encompasses all things, is something we can see and remember. It takes vision. And also the hidden enemies and their spiritual attacks on us, from the uncleanness, and their touch is something we can witness as well. Then attack back with the divine sword of God, the sword of honor, which is truthfulness to ourselves and to God. Sure the exact number of 7 is something witnessed only by spiritual journey, but the descent of water/purity/mercy/blessings of God from the heavens is the nature of what have in our souls. "There is not thing but with us is it's treasures and we do not send down but in a known measurement". We can see this reality, "And in the (signs) in themselves, will they not see".

I know Atheists will not be convinced by this, but, you can't be telling me that this is circular logic. Is seeing circular logic?

From my point of view we just have to remember. As for the true path and guidance, I have to agree with Drich, if you seek the truth you fill find it, and Suratal Fatiha has that spirit of knocking on God's door. 

If you seek help from God's mercy, his goodness, his praise, instead of the lower desires and ignorance, and sought help from the divine pure forces in the soul, surely you will be guided, even if you are unaware of God to begin with. 

For it's the earthly nature we been created on, the humble nature, that truly raises on, although the fire with in us is important, the earth dust nature along with water is the foremost need to receive the light. 

God has made two purifiers, earth and water, these are two parables to the nature of the soul and the nature of the heavens and the earth. The fire of God is important, but it can lead us astray, if we don't observe the prerequisite of it. 

But it is a guidance as well:  "When he saw a fire, he said to his family: "Wait! Verily, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire."

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-and is any of that less true, or more true, for him having said it?  Is any of it less or more true whether a god exists or not?  Would you not believe that this were true if your holyman had not said these words? Further...further, say allah offered no refuge, you would still seek it - by whatever means, I assume?

From what I understand, it's the nature of this knowledge that makes this true. It's only true because God is true. Without this truth, there is corruption in the earth. "Say if there were there a god with god, then they (heaven and the earth) would be corrupted". It's due to the Oneness of God, the oneness of his beauty, the exalted nature of the origin of the highest, that we are reckoned with not acting according to this knowledge and just having in our mind, without teaching it to the soul.

Of course I believe in these words without knowing Imam Jaffar said these words. Misbahal Shariah has no chain, it's mursal book, but I believe in it due the wisdom in it.