(April 4, 2015 at 8:59 pm)datc Wrote:(April 4, 2015 at 6:06 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, lets suppose atheists are wrong and a god does exist.
But the god that exists is one that values intellectual honesty and critical thinking. This god is responsible for creating all religions and holy books, but as a test to weed out the credulous and gullible.
Since intellectual honesty and critical thinking are virtues, and the Christian God desires that we be virtuous, He most likely does value these things. I know I do.
The Pascal's wager may have some import for those who are already leaning heavily toward Christianity but who still have a few doubts in their hearts.
Think of it as the absolutely last resort for coming to true beliefs about God.
Pascal's Wager's only usefulness is as a tool for keeping the believers in line. It makes no sense whatsoever to an unbeliever.
(April 4, 2015 at 8:59 pm)datc Wrote:Quote:After all, there is no evidence for the nonexistence of this god, right, datc?
I am a "gnostic theist" regarding a rather particular version of the Christian God. I can prove that He exists, and in proving it, unfold God's attributes one by one, or so I hope. By the end of these proofs a concept of God would have been built up, and it would be shown that this concept refers to something real. (I do not claim of course that my proofs are the only ones available; at any rate, metaphysics and theology are queens of the sciences, and as is well-known, to become queen, a pawn has to traverse the entire "field" of knowledge, and I certainly have not done that.)
So, yes, I'd be a (speculative) agnostic and (practical) atheist regarding all other types of gods; I don't know anything about them, nor do I care. My (mostly Catholic) God suffices for me.
Since you are claiming to be a "gnostic theist" (meaning that you have certain knowledge that god(s) exist), I'm going to restate a previous request from earlier in this thread that has gone ignored by you:
(April 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: So, perhaps you'd like to define your concept of god(s) and provide some evidence to support the existence thereof...
You're claiming to know that god(s) exist. I'd like to see the evidence that led you to such knowledge.
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