RE: Pediatrician Refuses Treatment of Baby of Lesbian Parents
April 7, 2015 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2015 at 2:51 pm by Heywood.)
(April 7, 2015 at 6:36 am)robvalue Wrote: Heywood: OK! So we can fire people if they don't do their job because of religious objection then. That seems entirely opposite to what you've been saying up until now, so I don't know what you've been complaining about.
At the start of this thread you were defending this woman, not saying she should be fired. You said she should have the right to "be an asshole". Or did you mean she has that right, but we should fire here none the less? All you are saying in that case is that we can't physically force her to do something. Which really didn't seem like your point, and has nothing to do with religion.
Have you changed your opinion then? It would be great if you have!
Are you actually suggesting that we wanted her to be physically forced to see the patient, like we grab her, put her in the room and threaten her until she does it? Is that what you think our position is? If that is what you think, it would explain the talking at cross purposes. I doubt anyone here is suggesting she be physically forced to do something by threats.
I feel like I'm losing my mind this morning. Have I lost it?
No Rob, you cannot fire this doctor. The employer can fire this doctor. You wanting to fire this doctor is another manifestation of you wanting to control someone else. You want this doctor to treat this child. If the doctor doesn't treat this child, you want to clinic to fire her. I want everyone, the doctor, the clinic owner, and the patient to have the right of self determination. I see no evidence of some huge societal mess that needs to be corrected by curtailing people's right to self determination.
(April 7, 2015 at 9:20 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(April 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: Do you have any evidence to show that African Americans were dying cause doctors would not see them because they were black?Apparently I was giving you too much credit for optimism when ignorance (and a broken Google finger, apparently) was the actual explanation.
(April 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: If you do, how do you know it was because they were black and not because they were poor and couldn't pay?Already preparing your defense of letting black people die, I see. Of course, such behavior is perfectly understandable if they committed the double sin of being poor in addition to being black, eh?
The problem with google is you and I can search the exact same phrase and get different results. I did search google and didn't find anything to suggest that blacks were being denied health care because they are black. I read one story of a black doctor who got into an accident and the emergency room wouldn't treat him because he was black but it turned out that story was false. If your claim is so trivially easy to support as you suggest, how about you do something novel and just post a link? Is that too hard for you?
