RE: Evidence God Exists
September 4, 2010 at 1:27 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2010 at 1:29 am by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(September 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Most believers who become atheists do it as a result of some traumatic disappointment. Something goes horribly wrong in their lives and they lose faith in God.Uhh... no. Most atheists become atheists because they come to realize just how irrational their beliefs are despite it being far easier to keep on believing (because of community, family, etc.) Evidence of this is abound on youtube videos on the subject by atheists, here in the introductions forum, and anywhere else I can think of to talk to atheists.
Others do it because their lifestyles (e.g. sexuality) do not fit in with/is not supported by their particular religions.
It also wasn't the case for me as well.
(September 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: And then there are those who were born into religious homes, and went through the motions as children based on their parents' faith, but never really gave God or religion much thought, and therefore were never really open to experiencing God. Driven by certain studies and scientific findings as they get older, they find that the notion of atheism speaks to them.Why is it that believers tend to think that atheists are atheists for any reason other than because not believing seems to be a better, more coherant, more logical idea? You know, the reason the majority of atheists become atheists.
Why is it so difficult to believe that I am an atheist precisely because I was given as much exposure to religion as a normal person and just as much thought (or more, considering I have thoughts on the topic) and rejected the beliefs for the irrational imaginings that they appear to be?
Secondly, atheism isn't a notion to be bought into, it's a rejection of religion and faith.
(September 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: There are always exceptions, but I'm sure you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who went from Christianity to atheism that doesn't fit into at least one of the above categories.If you believe that to be the case, then I have serious doubts about the level of exposure you have with atheists and the reasons they've become atheists.
People like Richard Dawkins or Auronra (from youtube) or Matt Dilihaunt (the Atheist Experience public broadcast show from texas that is also found on the internet) are all examples of people who, despite enough knowledge of one or more particular faiths (Matt was even an ordained minister at some point) did not become atheists because of trauma, rejection of god, or not enough exposure to god - it was because they simply chose not to have a religious faith of any kind.
This is because many atheists, like myself, simply choose not to take things by faith, but instead hold everything to the same standards and not to believe in something without some good reason or evidence.
(September 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: So yes, in most cases it is true that if someone goes from being a believer to atheism, they were never reeeaaalllyy a believer, or were pushed by other circumstances.Utter nonsense.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan